The Poo Poo of Allah and Muhammad (Trinity)

Muhammadian are obsessed with the Trinity just like their prophet who was obsessed with the number 3, they make all sorts of outlandish remarks challenging Christians on the belief. But logic dictates that if you want to refute Christians on the Trinity then they must know what Christians believe when it comes to the Trinity. That’s fair right?

Just to show the ignorance of Abdools this article on Blogging Theology and reblogged by quranandBibleblog Does the Qur’ān misunderstand the Trinity? [Analysis of Sūrat al-ikhlāṣ]

In this article, we’ll provide evidence that Allah has no idea what Christians believe about the Trinity. We’re going to expose the poo poo of Muhammad and Allah.

All Muslims believe the name Allah is the personal name for their god. Let’s look at how the Qur’ān describes the Trinity and see if Allah knows best? First, let’s begin with the Christian definition of the Trinity.

Contrary to what Muslims would claim, Christians believe in One God[1] we are bound to what the scriptures say about who God is. Christianity is a monotheistic faith that sprang forth from Judaism as Jesus and the first Christians His disciples were all Jews.

Christians believe: There is one God, who exists as three co-equal, co-eternal persons, namely the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. God is sovereign and self-existent and is omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient, immutable, holy, righteous and loving. (Deut 6:4, John 1:1, Matt 28:19, 1 Cor 12:4-6, 2 Cor 13:14, Eph 1:11, 1 John 1:5, 4:16).[2]

Qur’ān Ezra is the son of God?

Let’s compare what the Qur’ān says about the Trinity and see if it matches the definition above? In Surah At-Tawbah 9:30 Allah says “The Jews say, ‘Ezra is the Son of God”. Is this correct did the Jews ever believe Ezra (Uzair) was the son of Allah?

Surah At-Tawbah 9:30

Not one Jew believes this, there’s no source outside of the Qur’ān that corroborates ayat 9:30 a challenge to Muslims, provide a source outside of the Qur’ān proving The Jews say, ‘Ezra is the Son of God’; the Christians say, ‘The Messiah is the Son of God.’

Tovia Singer the Abdools favourite Rabbi said:

“Well it’s an interesting question that comes from the Qur’ān it’s chapter 9 it’s the chapter called repentance or it’s and it’s the chapter 9 Surah 9 verse 30 and there it says that the Jews say that Ezra is the son of God the Christians say that Allah the Christians say that the Messiah is the son of God they speak with their mouths but they really what they have essentially is something they received from the past and the speaking absolutely nonsense and essentially and Allah is against them because of what they’re saying essentially is a perversion something essentially like that and it was so that was very intriguing about this passage in the Qur’ān is that of course everybody who reads it is going wait I don’t know any Jew who believe that Ezra a great prophet and incidentally is considered a prophet in Islam as well I don’t know any Jew who believes that Ezra was the son of God.”

Why does the Quran Condemn the Jews for Revering Ezra as the Son of God? Rabbi Tovia Singer Responds

Allah is wrong and, therefore, the Qur’ān is wrong also unless there’s a source outside of the Qur’ān that agrees but there are none. Of course, Tovia Singer tries to side with the Muslims saying it was one heretical man because he’s a puppet. If we turn to the same commentators Tovia mentioned we see that they are referring to the Jews as a whole and are contrasting that to what Christians believe about Christ.

The Jews say Ezra is the son of God; and the Christians say The Messiah Jesus is the son of God. That is the utterance of their mouths for which they have no support nay imitating the utterances of those who disbelieved before them from among their forefathers mimicking them. God assail curse them! How they are deviated! turned away from the truth despite the proofs having been established.

Tafsir al-Jalalayn

Muslims need to provide evidence for their claim, bring any Jew who believes Ezra is the son of God in the same sense Jesus is the Son of God. If you read the verse carefully there’s a slew of language speaking in the plural sense ie Jews, Christians, their mouths etc.[3]

Qur’ān Jesus and Mary are God’s?

In Surah Al-Ma’idah 5:116 Allah will ask Isa (“Jesus”) if he told people to take himself and his mother as deities. This is NOT what Christians believe that both Jesus and Mary are God’s! Bear in mind the Christian definition of the Trinity provided above doesn’t mention Mary at all.

We believe in one God (Deut 6:4) who exists as three co-equal, co-eternal persons, the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Why doesn’t Allah know this if he is god, I thought Allah was supposed to know best?

Surah Al-Ma’idah 5:116

Yet the Qur’ān accuses Christians of worshipping Mary as god? Again Muslims have zero sources other than the Qur’ān to substantiate this erroneous claim. There’s not a single Christian who believes Mary is a god. Perhaps our Muslim friends would point to Catholics, and while there are practices Christians and Catholics disagree on, they do not worship Mary as a god.

[5:116] … Allah saith: O Jesus, son of Mary! Didst thou say unto mankind: Take me and my mother for two gods beside Allah? … How can Allah get this wrong if he’s god? Their god cannot even get the Trinity right we challenge the Abdools to show us references that Christians worship Mary as god. Qur’ān has to be the dumbest book ever as Allah can’t get the Trinity correct, their own scholars affirm this.[4]

Surah Al-Ma’idah 5:75

Allah again tries to prove that Christians somehow took Jesus and his mother as gods In Surah Al-Ma’idah 5:75 The Messiah, son of Mary, was no other than a messenger, messengers (the like of whom) had passed away before him. And his mother was a saintly woman. And they both used to eat (earthly) food. … Allah felt the need to mention they eat food, that this somehow proves they are human and refutes Christians.[5] Once again there’s not a single Christian who believes Mary is part of the Trinity, Allah can’t seem to get anything right.

“(They both used to eat food) needing nourishment and to relieve the call of nature. Therefore, they are just servants like other servants, not gods as ignorant Christian sects claim, may Allah’s continued curses cover them until the Day of Resurrection.”[6]

Why aren’t the Muslims providing any references proving that Christians worship Mary? There’s not a single bit of evidence brought to back the claim of the Qur’ān.

Surah At-Tawbah 9:31

Here in Surah At-Tawbah 9:31 we have a different Trinity by Allah. “They have taken as lords beside Allah their rabbis and their monks and the Messiah son of Mary, when they were bidden to worship only One Allah. …” Allah can’t make up his mind, do the Christians worship:

  1. Allah, The Messiah and Mary
  2. Allah, Rabbis (Jews), Monks (Christians) and the Messiah

What happened to Mary in 9:31? All of a sudden she disappeared, Allah now adds Monks for the Christians. Even their god just like the Muslims doesn’t know what Christians believe.

It’s clear Allah doesn’t know what the Trinity is; even though we know Allah is really Muhammad masquerading as god who forgot what he said in one part of the Qur’ān and then contradicts himself in another part of the Qur’ān. Big poo poo!

Surah Al-Ma’idah 5:17

Surah Al-Ma’idah 5:17 They indeed have disbelieved who say: Lo! Allah is the Messiah, son of Mary. … And Allah is Able to do all things.

Muslims believe Allah is the name of their god, so how can the Qur’ān say that Christians believe Allah is the Messiah, in other words, Jesus is Allah the name of their god? Additionally, the verse says Allah can do all things, yet he cannot have a son because he needs a girlfriend to have sexual intercourse [6:101]. What kind of god is limited that he needs a woman (spouse or consort) to have a son. This is how humans produce offspring and Allah can only do what his creation can in producing a son.[7]

This ayat only serves to prove that Allah cannot do all things as he’s limited in what he’s capable of. Yahweh is capable of having a Son as that’s not impossible for Him, this is why the God of the Bible is called Almighty.

Surah Al-Ma’idah 5:72

Here we see the redundancy of Allah in Surah Al-Ma’idah 5:72 “They surely disbelieve who say: Lo! Allah is the Messiah, son of Mary. …”, this god repeats himself over and over that’s how cults get their doctrine into your head. Allah has nothing new to say just repetitive garbage.

Muslims attack the heretical teaching of Tritheism, believing in three separate Gods. Christians believe only in One God as the Torah proclaims. Allah cannot understand how the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are the 1 Almighty God. If God could be placed in a perfect box-like Allah can then you need to find yourself a new god.

There’s plurality in unity in the Torah we read how a husband and wife become one flesh. Does this mean they become one person? Of course not! Adam and Eve were still 2 separate persons who now as husband and wife are in perfect union with one another.

Genesis 2:24

Islam lacks this concept as Muslims are under the false assumption that God must be a solitary person, how can Allah be “the Merciful” (الرَّحِيمِ) if he Allah existed all alone. He would have a need to create mankind first in order to be merciful, this means Allah lacked something and out of necessity had to create mankind. The same question has to be asked how can Allah be “Ar-Rahman” (the Most Gracious) (الرَّحْمَٰنِ الرَّحِيمِ) if he had none to be gracious too? Allah is truly limited.

In comparison Yahweh, the Father, Son and Holy Spirit were always eternally together in perfect union or fellowship. The God of the Bible is Love and didn’t need to create in order to be loving because all 3 Persons of the Trinity (Godhead) can be loving to one another before creation. Yahweh never lacked anything and it was out of love He created mankind.

Just like Adam and Eve are a picture of the union between all 3 Persons in the Trinity.[8] God is all self-sufficient and is sociable among the three Eternal Persons, we have communication all throughout the New Testament as the Son communicated with His Father (John 12:27-28).

The Father acknowledges His love for the Son (Matthew 17:5; Mark 9:7; Luke 9:35).[9] While Allah the god of Islam is mute and doesn’t communicate with his creation.

Conclusion

What have we learned today? Well, we’ve learned that Allah doesn’t know the concept of the Trinity and attributes false accusations toward Jews and Christians. Muslims believe in a god that lacked and needed to create mankind in order to show he’s “merciful”, this cannot be god. The true God Yahweh is superior in every way as all 3 Persons eternally loved each other and had perfect fellowship. The God of the Bible communicates not only between each other, but also communicates and loves His creation, which includes Muslims also.

Wake up Muhammadians Allah is a powerless idol who cannot provide anything. Come into the Light of Jesus Christ who created you in His image. May the Lord be magnified!

Footnotes

[1] “That the New Testament is monotheistic at the core is a fact recognized generally on all sides. The shadow of the Shema “Hear O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord” (Deut. 6:4), though never quoted in the New Testament (though alluded to in James 2:19), broods over its pages with all the weight it carried in Old Testament times, being the chief and holiest declaration of the Jewish religion. Such a monotheistic view pervades the whole outlook of Jesus: “It is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God and serve him only’” (Luke 4:8).” Beisner, E. C. (1984). God in three persons (Ser. Living studies). Tyndale House. pp. 26-27

[2] “God the Father is preeminently the one who plans and ordains and initiates the course of history and the events that take place. The Father sends the Son into the world to accomplish redemption. The idea os sending presupposes that the Father ha already determined a mission for the Son. What the Son accomplishes is what the Father has planned. The Holy Spirit applies the accomplishments of the Son to those who are united to the Son by faith. (See fig 12.1) So we have three aspects: planning, accomplishment, and application. In the large story of redemption, these aspects have a succession in time. The planning belongs to the past. God has already planned from before the foundation of the world what he would do in redemption (Eph 1:4; 1 Peter 1:20; Rev 13:8). The accomplishments belong especially to the time of the earthly life of Christ, including his death and resurrection (“made manifest,” 1 Peter 1:20). The application belongs especially to the time when the Holy Spirit is at work from Pentecost onward” Poythress, V. S. (2020). The mystery of the trinity : a trinitarian approach to the attributes of God. P&R Publishing Company. pp. 94-95

[3] “(And the Jews) the Jews of Medina (say: Ezra is the son of Allah, and the Christians) the Christians of Najran (say: The Messiah is the son of Allah. That is their saying with their mouths) with their tongues. (They imitate the saying of those who disbelieved of old) before them, i.e. the disbelievers of Mecca who said that al-Lat, al-‘Uzza and Manat were His daughters, just as the Jews claimed that Ezra was the son of Allah and some of the Christians claimed that Jesus was the son of Allah, others that he was Allah’s partner while there were others who said that he was Allah Himself or one god among three. (Allah (Himself) fights against them) Allah curses them. (How perverse are they!) from where do they get their lies?” Tafsir Ibn ‘Abbas (2021). Surah At-Tawbah. Retrieved from https://www.altafsir.com/Tafasir.asp?tMadhNo=0&tTafsirNo=73&tSoraNo=9&tAyahNo=30&tDisplay=yes&UserProfile=0&LanguageId=2

[4] “Allah will also speak to His servant and Messenger, `Isa son of Maryam, peace be upon him, saying to him on the Day of Resurrection in the presence of those who worshipped `Isa and his mother as gods besides Allah, (O `Isa, son of Maryam! Did you say unto men: `Worship me and my mother as two gods besides Allah’) This is a threat and a warning to Christians, chastising them in public, as Qatadah and others said, and Qatadah mentioned this Ayah as evidence, (“This is a Day on which the truthful will profit from their truth.”) 5:119 Allah’s statement, (Glory be to You! It was not for me to say what I had no right (to say)…) contains Allah’s direction for `Isa to utter the perfect answer. Ibn Abi Hatim recorded that Abu Hurayrah said, “`Isa will be taught his argument in reply to what Allah will ask him, (And (remember) when Allah will say (on the Day of Resurrection): “O `Isa, son of Maryam! Did you say unto men: `Worship me and my mother as two gods besides Allah’) 5:116 .” Abu Hurayrah then narrated that the Prophet said that Allah taught `Isa to say, (Glory be to You! It was not for me to say what I had no right (to say)…) Ath-Thawri narrated this Hadith from Ma`mar from Ibn Tawus from Tawus. `Isa’s statement, (Had I said such a thing, You would surely have known it.) means, had I said it, You, my Lord, would have known it, for nothing escapes Your knowledge. Rather, I have not said these words nor did the thought even cross my mind, this why he said, (You know what is in my inner self though I do not know what is in Yours, truly, You, only You, are the Knower of all that is hidden and unseen. Never did I say to them ought except what You (Allah) did command me to say…) and convey, (Worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord.) I only called them to what You sent me with and commanded me to convey to them, …” alim.org (2022) APA citation. Surah 5. Al-Maida. Ayah 116 Ibn-Kathir Al-Qur’an Tafsir Retrieved from https://www.alim.org/quran/tafsir/ibn-kathir/surah/5/116

[5] “This verse confirms that Maryam (Mary – peace be upon her) is not divine, on two counts: (i) Her status is that of siddeeqiyyah (being strong and true in faith), which is a status of servitude to Allah, may He be exalted. (ii) She used to eat food, which is the description of a created being who has needs; it is not the description of God Who is independent of means and has no need of His creation.” islamqa.info (2016, December 19) APA citation. What is the concept of the Christian Trinity that the Qur’an declares to be false? Retrieved from https://islamqa.info/en/answers/243142/what-is-the-concept-of-the-christian-trinity-that-the-quran-declares-to-be-false

[6] alim.org (2022) APA citation. Surah 5. Al-Maida. Ayah 72 Ibn-Kathir Al-Qur’an Tafsir Retrieved from https://www.alim.org/quran/tafsir/ibn-kathir/surah/5/72

[7] “He is the Originator of the heavens and the earth which He originated uniquely without precedent; how should He have a son when He has no consort spouse and He created everything that was meant to be created and He has knowledge of all things?” altafsir.com Tafsir al-Jalalayn (2021) APA citation. Surah Al-An’am. Retrieved from https://www.altafsir.com/Tafasir.asp?tMadhNo=0&tTafsirNo=74&tSoraNo=6&tAyahNo=101&tDisplay=yes&UserProfile=0&LanguageId=2

[8] “Genesis 2:24 is responding to the question of why a person would leave the closet biological relationship (parents to children) in order to forge a relationship with a biological outsider. The answer offered is that marriage goes beyond biology to recover an original state, for humanity is ontologically gendered. Ontology trumps biology. This has shown Adam that the woman is not just a reproductive mating partner. Her identity is that she is his ally, his other half” Walton, J. H. (2015). The lost world of adam and eve: genesis 2-3 and the human origins debate. InterVarsity Press., pp. 80-81

[9] “In more detail, we may find the following emephasis here. First, man is prior to woman (1 Cor 11:8, 9; 1 Tim 2:13). Secondly, the sexes are complementary: the true partnership is expounded by the terms that are used (a helper fit for him, 18, 20, RSV; literally ‘a help as opposite him’, i.e. ‘corresponding to him’), by the fruitless search elsewhere, as man discerns the natures (expressing them in the names, 20) of other creatures, and by the fact that Eve is of the very stuff of Adam and yet a wholly new being. Adam’s joyful ‘at last …’ (23, RSV) grows into the first poetic couplet in the Bible, and his work of naming is triumphantly concluded in a title that echoes his own. Thirdly, the union of the two in marriage is to be exclusive” Kidner, D. (2008). Genesis: an introduction and commentary (Ser. Tyndale old testament commentaries, v. 1). IVP Academic.

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