Corruption of the Scriptures? Part I – Islam Does Confirm the Bible As Scripture from God

All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

2 Timothy 3:16

The Qur’ān claims it CONFIRMS the Torah and Injeel (the Gospel) which Muslims reject, in the Hindu chapter Surah Al-Baqarah (The Cow).

Surah Al-Baqarah 2:89

If Muhammadans want to claim the Bible is corrupted then why does their Qur’ān confirm it? Their prophet took the Torah and placed it on a cushion saying he believes in the Torah and in the one who revealed the Torah?1 Are Muslims saying Muhammad believed in a corrupted book?

Dawahgandist propagate lies attempting to “revert” non-Muslims, one of these lies is the so-called claims of “the corruption of the Bible”, when their own book the Qur’ān affirms it. Because they find themselves in a catch 22 the only option they have is to make the outlandish claim that the Bible was corrupted. In this article, we’ll provide evidence in response to quranandBibleblog (Corruption of the Scriptures: Part I – Does Islam Confirm the Bible As a Scripture from God?) as to how illogical this argument is.

“If the Scriptures of the Christians and Jews were good, there would be no need for Islam or the Qur’an.”

Corruption of the Scriptures: Part I – Does Islam Confirm the Bible As a Scripture from God?

The quote from our friend stewjo004 is what we’ve been saying all along, Islam is a copy-paste religion as their prophet plagiarized stories from the Bible and other texts. Stewjo004 in his ignorance makes a wonderful statement unknowingly saying:

“The argument presented by missionaries is that the Scripture can’t change because the Qur’an says that God’s words can’t change. To begin, this is an illogical argument because one can take any religious text and add or delete a verse from it. There’s no magical force field around the text itself.”

Corruption of the Scriptures: Part I – Does Islam Confirm the Bible As a Scripture from God?

Of course, this was directly in regards to the Bible he claims was “corrupted”, his claim is “ANY religious text and add or delete a verse from it”, does the word any also include the Qur’ān Abdool? Let’s find out if this also applies to their book?

“The proper context of these verses has nothing to do with God’s Scriptures. They’re referring to God’s Commands which He throughout the Qur’an calls His Word because He says “Be” and then it happens.

Corruption of the Scriptures: Part I – Does Islam Confirm the Bible As a Scripture from God?

When Allah said “Be” was that not part of Allah’s scriptures, and how come Allah couldn’t make Muhammad read in Surah Al-‘Alaq if all he has to say is “Be”?

They claim the word spoken of in the following verses Surah Al-Anaam, 6:73; Surah Yunus, 10:96-97; Surah Ghafir, 40:6; Surah Al-Isra, 17:16; Surah Ya-Sin, 36:7; Surah Yunus, 10:79-82.

How convenient he would choose verses that have nothing to do with the topic at hand. If he wants to be honest he would provide the following verses.

Surah Al-Baqarah 2:87

Pickthall: “And verily We gave unto Moses the Scripture …”.

Surah An-Nisa 4:163

Pickthall: “… and as We imparted unto David the Psalms;” ( وَءَاتَيْنَا دَاوُۥدَ زَبُورًۭا )

Surah Ali ‘Imran 3:3

Pickthall: He hath revealed unto thee (Muhammad) the Scripture … confirming that which was (revealed) before it, even as He revealed the Torah and the Gospel. (وَأَنزَلَ ٱلتَّوْرَىٰةَ وَٱلْإِنجِيلَ)

Surah Al-Ma’idah 5:46

Pickthall: “… confirming that which was (revealed) before him in the Torah, and We bestowed on him the Gospelconfirming that which was (revealed) before it in the Torah … ”.

The translation doesn’t do it much justice the Arabic actually says ( مَرْيَمَ مُصَدِّقًۭا لِّمَا بَيْنَ يَدَيْهِ مِنَ ٱلتَّوْرَىٰةِ ۖ ) “confirming what was between his hands” ( وَءَاتَيْنَـٰهُ ٱلْإِنجِيلَ فِيهِ هُدًۭى وَنُورٌۭ وَمُصَدِّقًۭا لِّمَا بَيْنَ يَدَيْهِ ) “and we gave him the Injeel in it was guidance and light and confirming what was between his hands”. The Bible here is the same Bible that existed before Muhammad and what we have currently have.

Allah says the Torah, Psalms, and Gospel were all given by him. Yet Muslims claim the Bible has been corrupted. If so, it would seem they don’t believe Allah since the Qur’ān says the Word of Allah cannot be changed.

Surah Al-An’am 6:34

Yusuf Ali: “… there is NONE THAT CAN ALTER THE WORDS (and decrees) OF ALLAH. …”.

Notice the deceptive translation of the word (decrees) in brackets isn’t part of the text, Muslims are trying to fix the problem in their Qur’ān by inserting those words. The text actually says ( وَلَا مُبَدِّلَ لِكَلِمَـٰتِ ٱللَّهِ ۚ ) “none can change the words of Allah”.

Also, why would Muslims need an “Abridged Explanation of the Qur’ān?” I thought Allah said “the manifest Book (this Qur’ān) that makes things clear” in Surah Ad-Dukhan 44:2, Allah must be wrong then since Qur’ān is not clear and needs explanation.

Surah Al-An’am 6:115

Yusuf Ali: “… NONE CAN CHANGE HIS WORDS: …” (Surah 6:115). ( لَّا مُبَدِّلَ لِكَلِمَـٰتِهِۦ ۚ )

Surah Yunus 10:64

Yusuf Ali: “… NO CHANGE CAN THERE BE IN THE WORDS OF ALLAH. …” (Surah 10:64). ( لَا تَبْدِيلَ لِكَلِمَـٰتِ ٱللَّهِ ۚ )

When Muhammad (570-632) was alive, he claimed to receive the revelation of the Qur’ān from Allah. This means that at that time the Bible, which was in existence, could not have been corrupted because the Qur’ān states that Allah’s word cannot be corrupted.

The question we have for stewjo004 is When and where was the Bible corrupted since the Qur’ān says that the Torah, the Psalms, and the Gospel are from Allah and Allah’s words cannot be changed, are you saying the Qur’ān is false because it says the Bible is preserved but you’re saying otherwise?

The Muslims know if the Bible is preserved that makes Islam false and they need to leave Islam since the Qur’ān contradicts the Bible, if the Qur’ān is wrong and the Bible is not preserved then Islam is false because Allah can’t preserve his word and its a false religion. Which is it?

And if the verses are referring to Allah’s decrees not being changed then since Allah sent the Torah, Psalms and Gospel that would mean they cannot be changed as well because they are Allah’s “decrees”.

The Corruption of the Qur’ān

I will examine the opinions of some of the influential usulıs concerning the tawatur of the Qur’anic Readings and point out the problematic issues they were trying to resolve.2

Transmission of the Variant Readings of the Qur’an (Texts and Studies on the Qurʾān)

Muslims are in a serious quagmire when Christians challenge the authenticity of the Qur’ān, we’re told the Qur’ān was revealed in 7 ahurfs. Supposedly 7 different “dialects”, this is obviously proof Allah failed in giving Qur’ān if this book is “easy to understand” Surah Al-Qamar [54:17, 54:22, 54:32, 54:40]. If Allah was god he would be able to give one Qur’ān and all in Arabia would understand. But Abdools say it’s different dialects.

Chapter: The clarification that the Qur’an was revealed in seven ahruf (modes of recitation), and clarifying its meaning Sahih Muslim 819a

Muhammad asked Allah to give seven different “styles” which means Allah doesn’t know what he’s doing because Muhammad is correcting Allah saying one is not enough we need more than one “style”. If god gives something it should be perfect the first time, but 1 style was not enough according to Islamic sources.3

Chapter: The Qur’an was revealed to be recited in seven different ways Sahih al-Bukhari 4991

Poor Jibril had to accommodate Muhammad’s command of reciting Qur’ān in seven different ways because the Muslims wouldn’t understand it because Allah’s word is not easy to understand completely contradicting Surah Al-Qamar. Allah just cannot get it right!

The fact that Muslims were reciting the Qur’ān and others were accusing them of reciting Qur’ān incorrectly proves this is not a simple matter of dialects. The standard Islamic narrative is the Qur’ān was revealed in seven different ways and this caused confusion among the believers as they thought the seven ahruf were the same as the seven qira’at because they were the same in number (seven).4

Ibn Mujāhid then wanted to minimalise and established the textual variants to form a manageable corpus. He then canonized the different readings through force and projected the thought that a consensus was in place which comprised of no one being allowed to recite or teach obsolete readings of the Sahaba. These differences contradicted the Uthmanic codices and anyone who taught or recited these different readings was severely punished.5

The Illiterate Prophet?

Another claim is that Muhammad was “illiterate” ( ٱلنَّبِىِّ ٱلْأُمِّىِّ ) was this the case? Our friends quoted Surah Al-A’raf 7:158 to substantiate this claim. According to Muhammad, he was fully capable of writing, in Bukhari 4432 the companions were at his death bed and Muhammad was going to write for them. As the companions gave Muhammad material to write but he was unable to because the fighting prevented Muhammad.

Chapter: The sickness of the Prophet (saws) and his death Sahih al-Bukhari 4432

Where do Muslims get the notion that Muhammad was unable to read and write? The verse in the Qur’ān says he was “unlettered” which means someone who is unlearned in the scriptures. The Islamic scholar al-Jalalayn puts it this way “the uninstructed Prophet”6

But the cousin of Muhammad Ibn ‘Abbas says “the Prophet who can neither read nor write”,7 this is a fabrication as Muhammad said he would write something for them. They’re desperate to find their prophet in the Torah, sadly for them, Isaiah 29:12 is not the Torah. Isaiah is found in the Nevi’im as the Torah is the 5 books of Moses.

“Who follow the Messenger, the illiterate prophet they find described in the Torah that is with them, and in the Gospel…”

Surah Al-Araf 7:158

Here’s the verse in Isaiah our friends are referring to which actually goes against them as those who couldn’t read the scripture were under Yahweh’s judgement:

Isaiah 29:12

The footnote says “Lit. does not know books”,8 if Muhammad never read any book this would place him outside of this verse. In Surah al-‘Ankaboot 29:48 Allah says Muhammad NEVER read any book BEFORE Qur’ān.

Surah al-‘Ankaboot 29:48

Bear in mind when Muhammad received the first revelation from Allah, Jibril said Iqra ( اقْرَأْ ) in Surah Al-‘Alaq (clot).9 This is a silly statement shouldn’t Jibril have rather said “recite” instead of “read” being that there was no book for Muhammad to read from? Jibril didn’t have a physical book for Muhammad to read from!

Additionally, if Allah is almighty as Muslims claim why did it take him multiple tries to get Muhammad to recite? Don’t Muhammadans say Allah says “Be” and it is, then how come Allah didn’t say “Be” and it was? It shows Allah is not almighty at all.

What is Revelation?

The mutah boy tried to define what it means to receive revelation:

To begin, let’s define what is revelation and Scripture. There are multiple versions of revelation a prophet can receive: (1) A Scripture where God transmits His words verbatim (either through direct speech or through an intermediary such as an angel) (2) An angel relaying a message from God but not necessarily a Scripture or God’s direct speech (ex. “Your Lord has ordered you to go here…” (3) Dreams (4) A Prophet’s inspired action or speech regarding a religious matter. (5) A Prophet’s rulings (6) Prophecies

Corruption of the Scriptures: Part I – Does Islam Confirm the Bible As a Scripture from God?

Revelation (Ἀποκάλυψις) is directly given from God to an individual, all of the men of God such as Moses received direct revelation from Yahweh on Mt. Sinai. The first prophet Samuel received direct revelation from the LORD.

1 Samuel 3:4

Revelation only comes directly from God to an individual and that’s the definition of a prophet. Where the LORD speaks to that individual in order for Him to be made known. It’s not delivered from an angel as Muhammad claimed Jibril brought the words of Allah to him.

In the book of Numbers, chapter 12 Miriam and Aaron complained against Moses because he married an Ethiopian woman who is from the lineage of Cush. This could have been the first instance of racism as Moses’ siblings both being Israelites were looking down on the woman. We can’t forget that in the time of Noah we’re told he had 3 sons, it was through them we have the diverse people of the world.

Aaron and Miriam were also jealous of Moses and said “Has the LORD indeed spoken only through Moses? Has He not spoken through us also?”, then it says “the LORD heard”.10 The LORD called them to the door of the tabernacle and Miriam was punished with leprosy because of her hatred towards the Cushite woman.

Numbers 12:1-8

According to Islam Aaron is a prophet but in Numbers, Yahweh says otherwise. Moses was the only one of his siblings that was a prophet who the LORD spoke with mouth to mouth (face to face). Muhammad doesn’t fit this criterion as Allah never spoke to him it was always an “angel” delivering the Qur’ān to him this flys in the face of what the Torah says and is a contradiction.

These abdools from quranandBibleblog said God transmits His words “through an intermediary such as an angel”, that’s untrue as God didn’t say that.

The Qur’ān

The next point of confusion is about the book called “The Bible”. This book is not being referred to in these verses. The Bible is a collection of stories containing pieces of numbers 1-6 as well as lies and then being claimed as simply #1 by itself. When God in the Qur’an is talking about the Torah and Gospel, He is quoting from what He Himself revealed as a Scripture. Here is an example: During his ministry, Jesus wasn’t going around reading 1 Timothy to the people. This is part of writing something and claiming that it’s from God. God never revealed these books and one can’t say these are the Scripture.

Corruption of the Scriptures: Part I – Does Islam Confirm the Bible As a Scripture from God?

The silliness of Muslims, Christians know that Jesus Christ was not reading 1 Timothy to people, the scriptures of the New Testament were in the process of development meaning, they document the life of Christ. Therefore, it would be silly to say Jesus was reading 1 Timothy because those scriptures speak of Him, therefore, it had to come to past first before it could be written from inspiration from God.

He then quotes Sahih al-Bukhari 7547 saying the bolded portion is scripture.

Chapter: “A person who is perfect in reciting and memorizing the Qur’an will be with the honourable, pious and just scribes.” Sahih al-Bukhari 7547

“… ‘Neither say your prayer aloud, nor say it in a low tone’ (17.110).

Satan made Qur’ān

The Islamic view is the Qur’ān is the direct words of Allah, is that correct? But they say all of the Qur’ān is Allah’s words, then how do they account for the words of Shaitan in Qur’ān is that from Allah too?

[59:16]  … Shaitan, when he says to man: “Disbelieve in Allah.” … Shaitan says: “I am free of you, I fear Allah, the Lord of the ‘Alamin …”11

The words found in 59:16 are the words of Shaitan and its scripture, which means it’s a satanic verse, Satan was able to make Qur’ān. I believe all of the Qur’ān is from Satan.

Are the words of Shaitan the words of Allah? Muhammad couldn’t tell between the words of Allah and Shaitan in Surah An-Najm (Al-Lat, Manat and al-Uzza the three daughters of Allah).12 That’s because Allah and Shaitan are the same, this explains why Shaitan’s words became Qur’ān and then had to be “abolished” afterwards.

Surah Al-Hajj 22:52

This can only mean that corruption entered the Qur’ān, why does Allah need to abolish what Satan threw in if it was not corrupted? That’s because it was and how do we know if this verse is not from Satan as well to keep us off guard?

Muhammad’s Scribe made Qur’ān

Muhammad takes the words of his scribe Abdullah Ibn Sa’d and adds them to Qur’ān, found in Surah Al-Mu’minun.

Surah Al-Mu’minun 23:12-14

According to Islam Muhammad had his scribe with him who had professed faith in Islam, the prophet one day asked his scribe to write something for him [23:12-14]. Muhammad was telling him what to write, when they reached a specific portion Abd Allah was amazed and said (So blessed be Allah, the Best of Creators!).13

Question are those words from Allah and if they are does this mean Abdullah Ibn Sa’d was a prophet also? Muhammad instructed Abdullah to add his words to Qur’ān. Because of this Abdullah left Islam after he found out Muhammad was a false prophet. We’ll provide the Tafsir from Wahidi.

The Qur’ān was corrupted because a man’s words found their way into the Qur’ān.

Ants made Qur’ān

Surah An-Naml 27:18

Are [27:18] Allah’s words? Here we have the ants words according to the text, as it says “the ants said “O ants! Enter your dwellings, lest Sulaiman (Solomon) and his hosts crush you, while they perceive not.”” This can’t be the pure words of Allah unless Muslims want to say the ants words are Allah’s.14

Sulaiman (Solomon) made Qur’ān

Surah An-Naml 27:19

Lastly here we have the words of Sulaiman in 27:19, are these the words of Allah also? Muslims have to provide answers to their claim that every word in the Qur’ān is the word of Allah when we have Solomon (Sulaiman) speaking in this verse is this Allah speaking? If not then it’s not Allah’s word.15

Conclusion

How can a corrupted book the Qur’ān that has words from Shaitan, ants, men like Sulaiman and Abdullah Ibn Sa’d be the words of Allah? Allah said he sent the Torah, Injil and they cannot be corrupted. Unless Muslims reject what their book says claiming Allah is powerless to protect his own word?

Allah gave the Qur’ān in seven different versions meaning thier god was not capable of giving one version for all, he had to give seven because his word is not understandable. Allah was corrected by Muhammad as he originally was going to give one Qur’ān but Muhammad asked for more until he gave seven different versions.

Footnotes

1 “Narrated Abdullah Ibn Umar: A group of Jews came and invited the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) to Quff. So he visited them in their school. They said: AbulQasim, one of our men has committed fornication with a woman; so pronounce judgment upon them. They placed a cushion for the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) who sat on it and said: Bring the Torah. It was then brought. He then withdrew the cushion from beneath him and placed the Torah on it saying: I believed in thee and in Him Who revealed thee. He then said: Bring me one who is learned among you. Then a young man was brought. The transmitter then mentioned the rest of the tradition of stoning similar to the one transmitted by Malik from Nafi'(No. 4431).” Sunnah.com (2008, July 28). Chapter: The stoning of the two jews. Retrieved from https://sunnah.com/abudawud:4449

2 Nasser, S. (2012). The transmission of the variant readings of the qurʾān : The problem of tawātur and the emergence of shawādhdh. BRILL.

3 “The best of the scholarly opinions concerning what is meant is that there are seven ways of reciting the Qur’aan, where the wording may differ but the meaning is the same; if there is a different meaning then it is by way of variations on a theme, not opposing and contradiction.” Islamqa.com (2008, July 28). The revelation of the Qur’aan in seven styles (ahruf, sing. harf). Retrieved from https://islamqa.info/en/answers/5142/the-revelation-of-the-quraan-in-seven-styles-ahruf-sing-harf

4 Narrated `Umar bin Al-Khattab: I heard Hisham bin Hakim bin Hizam reciting Surat-al-Furqan in a way different to that of mine. Allah’s Messenger (ﷺ) had taught it to me (in a different way). So, I was about to quarrel with him (during the prayer) but I waited till he finished, then I tied his garment round his neck and seized him by it and brought him to Allah’s Messenger (ﷺ) and said, “I have heard him reciting Surat-al-Furqan in a way different to the way you taught it to me.” The Prophet (ﷺ) ordered me to release him and asked Hisham to recite it. When he recited it, Allah s Apostle said, “It was revealed in this way.” He then asked me to recite it. When I recited it, he said, “It was revealed in this way. The Qur’an has been revealed in seven different ways, so recite it in the way that is easier for you.” Sunnah.com (2011, November 14). Chapter: The talk of opponents against each other. Retrieved from https://sunnah.com/bukhari:2419

5 “Ibn Mujāhid was not the first, to collect variant Readings of the Qur’ān in an attempt to limit the individual readings into a manageable and credible corpus. However, he might have been the first to enforce his criteria and canonize the Readings, as Melchert suggests, through political power. Ibn Mujāhid believed, or rather wanted us to believe, that by his time a consensus had been reached concerning the general criteria that could be applied to establish a valid Qur’ānic reading. This consensus comprises also the fact that no one could recite and teach the “obsolete” readings of the Companions, which disagree with the consonantal outline of the Uthmānic codices. Those who opposed Ibn Mujāhid’s officially promulgated “Canon” and insisted on following their own standards and criteria were tried, flogged, and coerced into adhering to the consensus.” Nasser, S. H. (2013). The transmission of the variant readings of the qurʼān : the problem of tawātur and the emergence of shawādhdh (Ser. Texts and studies on the qurʼān, v. 9). Brill.

6 “(And thou (O Muhammad) were not a reader of any scripture before it) before the Qur’an, (nor didst thou write it with thy right hand, for) if you could read or write (then might those have doubted, who follow falsehood) then the Jews, Christians and idolaters would have doubted, for it is mentioned in the Scriptures of the Jews and Christians that you are unlettered.” altafsir.com (2021). Ibn ‘Abbas Surah al-‘Ankaboot 29:48. Retrieved from https://www.altafsir.com/Tafasir.asp?tMadhNo=0&tTafsirNo=73&tSoraNo=29&tAyahNo=48&tDisplay=yes&UserProfile=0&LanguageId=2

7 These verses speak bitingly of a people who have become dull and lethargic, insensitive and insensible, and whose leaders have lost both vision and wisdom.They seem to follow the preceding verses in close sequence. The first words of v.9 are most strictly rendered as: ‘linger on and be dumbfounded, besmear your eyes and be blind’; but a very similar text would give to the first of these clauses the meaning: ‘be bewildered, and dumbfounded’, which is a better parallel to the second. The words are, of course, spoken in bitter irony and proleptically, the full value of them would be: ‘continue in your obtuse ways, and you will become more and more bewildered, befuddled and blind’ (cf.6.9-10). The people are in a stupor from which they cannot be awakened; vision has forsaken the prophet and insight the seer. There is no longer anyman who can interpret the meaning of a vision; it is sealed away in impenetrable mystery (cf. Dan.2.4; 5.12, 15; etc.; Rw. 5.1-9; 6.1-3; etc.) Mauchline, J. (1962). Isaiah 1-39: introduction and commentary (Ser. Torch bible commentaries). S.C.M. p. 204

8 “In 1 Kings 22:22, when Ahab determined to embrace falsehood, divine judgment visited him with false prophets: by the will and act of God, he got what he chose (cf. 2 Thess. 2:9 – 12 ). Determined spiritual insensitivity becomes judicial spiritual deprivation: first, the mind loses its clarity: deep sleep , ‘a spirit/Spirit of coma/torpor’, the mental equivalent of 1 Samuel 26:12 ; secondly, the means of spiritual enlightenment are removed: prophets and seers are synonyms for those whom God has raised up to receive and communicate his word. The lesson is driven home illustratively in verses 11 – 12 : the person who can read cannot be bothered to open the book; the person who cannot read is unconcerned to find someone who can.” Motyer, J. A. (1999). Isaiah: an introduction and commentary (Ser. Tyndale old testament commentaries, volume 20). Inter-Varsity Press.

9 Read! In the Name of your Lord Who created. He has created man from a clot. Read! And your Lord is the Most Generous. quran.com (1995) Surah Al-‘Alaq (Clot) 96:1-3 Retrieved from https://quran.com/96?startingVerse=1

10 “The fact that Moses is reproached with two different things is immediately clear from the opening verse os this chapter. According to v1 this marriage with a Cushite woman is laid to his charge; according to v2 on the other hand, the reproach is to do with an unjustified claim to special privileges with regard to the reception of the divine word. This two fold reproach is certainly connected with the disunity of the narrative with regard to the role played by the persons who appear against Moses. The first reproach (v1) is made by ‘Miriam and Aaron’ (in that order). In what follows as hear of ‘Miriam and Aaron’ (vv. 4-5); and in vv. 9-15 Miriam appears as the principal guilty party and Aaron is on her side only in so far as he intercedes for her with Moses (vv. 10b-12). These facts are most probably to be explained as follows. The reproach with regard to the Cushite marriage actually comes originally from Miriam, who is the on who is punished for it, whereas the dispute concerning the special place accorded to Moses in matters concerning the receiving of revelation is reported as stemming from ‘Aaron and Miriam’, and this subject ends with a reproof from Yahweh (vv. 6-9).” Noth, M., & נות’, מרטין. (1968). Numbers: a commentary (Ser. The old testament library). Westminster Press. pp. 92, 93

11 “(Like Shaytan, when he says to man: “Disbelieve.” But when (man) disbelieves, Shaytan says: “I am free of you…”) meaning, the example of the Jews being deceived by the promises of the hypocrites, who said that they will help them if Muslims fight them, is that of the devil. When matters got serious and the Jews were besieged, the hypocrites betrayed them and abandoned them to taste utter defeat. Likewise, the devil lures mankind into disbelief and when they obey him, he disowns them and declares himself free of their actions, saying, … (So, the end of both will be that they will be in the Fire, abiding therein.) meaning, the end of both he, Shaytan, who commanded that dis- belief be committed, and those who accep- ted his call, was in the fire of Hell forever,” alim.org (2010). Ibn-Kathir Surah Al-Hashr 59:16. Retrieved from https://www.alim.org/quran/tafsir/ibn-kathir/surah/59/11

12 “And We did not send before you any messenger rasūl — this is a prophet who has been commanded to deliver a Message — or prophet nabī — one who has not been commanded to deliver anything — but that when he recited the scripture Satan cast into his recitation what is not from the Qur’ān but which those to whom he the prophet had been sent would find pleasing. The Prophet s had during an assembly of the men of Quraysh after reciting the following verses from sūrat al-Najm Have you considered Lāt and ‘Uzzā? And Manāt the third one? 53:19-20 added as a result of Satan casting them onto his tongue without his the Prophet’s being aware of it the following words ‘those are the high-flying cranes al-gharānīq al-‘ulā and indeed their intercession is to be hoped for’ and so they the men of Quraysh were thereby delighted. Gabriel however later informed him the Prophet of this that Satan had cast onto his tongue and he was grieved by it; but was subsequently comforted with this following verse that he might be reassured of God’s pleasure thereat God abrogates nullifies whatever Satan had cast then God confirms His revelations. And God is Knower of Satan’s casting of that which has been mentioned Wise in His enabling him Satan to do such things for He does whatever He will.” altafsir.com (2021). al-Jalalayn Surah al-Hajj 22:52. Retrieved from https://www.altafsir.com/Tafasir.asp?tMadhNo=0&tTafsirNo=74&tSoraNo=22&tAyahNo=52&tDisplay=yes&UserProfile=0&LanguageId=2

13 “… and who saith I will reveal the like of that which Allah hath revealed [6:93]. This verse was revealed about Abd Allah ibn Sa’d ibn Abi Sarh This man had declared his faith in Islam and so the Messenger of Allah, Allah bless him and give him peace, called him one day to write something for him when the verses regarding the believers was revealed (Verily, we created man from a product of wet earth…) [23:12-14], the prophet dictated to him. When we reach up to (and then produced it as another creation), ‘Abd Allah expressed his amazement at the precision of man’s creation by saying (So blessed be Allah, the Best of Creators!). The Messenger of Allah, Allah bless him and give him peace, said: “This [‘Abd Allah’s last expression] is how it was revealed to me”.” … “At that point, doubt crept into ‘Abd Allah. He said: “If Muhammad is truthful, then I was inspired just as he was; and if he is lying, I have uttered exactly what he did utter”. Hence Allah’s words (and who saith: I will reveal the like of that which Allah hath revealed). The man renounced Islam. This is also the opinion of Ibn ‘Abbas according to the report of al-Kalbi.” quranx.com. Al-Wahidi Surah al-Anam 22:52. Retrieved from https://quranx.com/Tafsir/Wahidi/6.93

14 “(one of the ants said: “O ants! Enter your dwellings, lest Sulayman and his armies should crush you, while they perceive not.”) Sulayman, peace be upon him, understood what the ant said,” wordofallah.com (2022). Ibn-Kathir Surah an-Naml 27:18. Retrieved from https://www.wordofallah.com/tafseer

15And Sulayman said: (O mankind! We have been taught the language of birds, and we have been given from everything.) Sulayman said: (We have been taught the language of birds, and we have been given from everything.)” alim.org (2021). Ibn-Kathir Surah an-Naml 27:19. Retrieved from https://www.alim.org/quran/tafsir/ibn-kathir/surah/27/15

The Poo Poo of Allah and Muhammad (Trinity)

Muhammadian are obsessed with the Trinity just like their prophet who was obsessed with the number 3, they make all sorts of outlandish remarks challenging Christians on the belief. But logic dictates that if you want to refute Christians on the Trinity then they must know what Christians believe when it comes to the Trinity. That’s fair right?

Just to show the ignorance of Abdools this article on Blogging Theology and reblogged by quranandBibleblog Does the Qur’ān misunderstand the Trinity? [Analysis of Sūrat al-ikhlāṣ]

In this article, we’ll provide evidence that Allah has no idea what Christians believe about the Trinity. We’re going to expose the poo poo of Muhammad and Allah.

All Muslims believe the name Allah is the personal name for their god. Let’s look at how the Qur’ān describes the Trinity and see if Allah knows best? First, let’s begin with the Christian definition of the Trinity.

Contrary to what Muslims would claim, Christians believe in One God[1] we are bound to what the scriptures say about who God is. Christianity is a monotheistic faith that sprang forth from Judaism as Jesus and the first Christians His disciples were all Jews.

Christians believe: There is one God, who exists as three co-equal, co-eternal persons, namely the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. God is sovereign and self-existent and is omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient, immutable, holy, righteous and loving. (Deut 6:4, John 1:1, Matt 28:19, 1 Cor 12:4-6, 2 Cor 13:14, Eph 1:11, 1 John 1:5, 4:16).[2]

Qur’ān Ezra is the son of God?

Let’s compare what the Qur’ān says about the Trinity and see if it matches the definition above? In Surah At-Tawbah 9:30 Allah says “The Jews say, ‘Ezra is the Son of God”. Is this correct did the Jews ever believe Ezra (Uzair) was the son of Allah?

Surah At-Tawbah 9:30

Not one Jew believes this, there’s no source outside of the Qur’ān that corroborates ayat 9:30 a challenge to Muslims, provide a source outside of the Qur’ān proving The Jews say, ‘Ezra is the Son of God’; the Christians say, ‘The Messiah is the Son of God.’

Tovia Singer the Abdools favourite Rabbi said:

“Well it’s an interesting question that comes from the Qur’ān it’s chapter 9 it’s the chapter called repentance or it’s and it’s the chapter 9 Surah 9 verse 30 and there it says that the Jews say that Ezra is the son of God the Christians say that Allah the Christians say that the Messiah is the son of God they speak with their mouths but they really what they have essentially is something they received from the past and the speaking absolutely nonsense and essentially and Allah is against them because of what they’re saying essentially is a perversion something essentially like that and it was so that was very intriguing about this passage in the Qur’ān is that of course everybody who reads it is going wait I don’t know any Jew who believe that Ezra a great prophet and incidentally is considered a prophet in Islam as well I don’t know any Jew who believes that Ezra was the son of God.”

Why does the Quran Condemn the Jews for Revering Ezra as the Son of God? Rabbi Tovia Singer Responds

Allah is wrong and, therefore, the Qur’ān is wrong also unless there’s a source outside of the Qur’ān that agrees but there are none. Of course, Tovia Singer tries to side with the Muslims saying it was one heretical man because he’s a puppet. If we turn to the same commentators Tovia mentioned we see that they are referring to the Jews as a whole and are contrasting that to what Christians believe about Christ.

The Jews say Ezra is the son of God; and the Christians say The Messiah Jesus is the son of God. That is the utterance of their mouths for which they have no support nay imitating the utterances of those who disbelieved before them from among their forefathers mimicking them. God assail curse them! How they are deviated! turned away from the truth despite the proofs having been established.

Tafsir al-Jalalayn

Muslims need to provide evidence for their claim, bring any Jew who believes Ezra is the son of God in the same sense Jesus is the Son of God. If you read the verse carefully there’s a slew of language speaking in the plural sense ie Jews, Christians, their mouths etc.[3]

Qur’ān Jesus and Mary are God’s?

In Surah Al-Ma’idah 5:116 Allah will ask Isa (“Jesus”) if he told people to take himself and his mother as deities. This is NOT what Christians believe that both Jesus and Mary are God’s! Bear in mind the Christian definition of the Trinity provided above doesn’t mention Mary at all.

We believe in one God (Deut 6:4) who exists as three co-equal, co-eternal persons, the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Why doesn’t Allah know this if he is god, I thought Allah was supposed to know best?

Surah Al-Ma’idah 5:116

Yet the Qur’ān accuses Christians of worshipping Mary as god? Again Muslims have zero sources other than the Qur’ān to substantiate this erroneous claim. There’s not a single Christian who believes Mary is a god. Perhaps our Muslim friends would point to Catholics, and while there are practices Christians and Catholics disagree on, they do not worship Mary as a god.

[5:116] … Allah saith: O Jesus, son of Mary! Didst thou say unto mankind: Take me and my mother for two gods beside Allah? … How can Allah get this wrong if he’s god? Their god cannot even get the Trinity right we challenge the Abdools to show us references that Christians worship Mary as god. Qur’ān has to be the dumbest book ever as Allah can’t get the Trinity correct, their own scholars affirm this.[4]

Surah Al-Ma’idah 5:75

Allah again tries to prove that Christians somehow took Jesus and his mother as gods In Surah Al-Ma’idah 5:75 The Messiah, son of Mary, was no other than a messenger, messengers (the like of whom) had passed away before him. And his mother was a saintly woman. And they both used to eat (earthly) food. … Allah felt the need to mention they eat food, that this somehow proves they are human and refutes Christians.[5] Once again there’s not a single Christian who believes Mary is part of the Trinity, Allah can’t seem to get anything right.

“(They both used to eat food) needing nourishment and to relieve the call of nature. Therefore, they are just servants like other servants, not gods as ignorant Christian sects claim, may Allah’s continued curses cover them until the Day of Resurrection.”[6]

Why aren’t the Muslims providing any references proving that Christians worship Mary? There’s not a single bit of evidence brought to back the claim of the Qur’ān.

Surah At-Tawbah 9:31

Here in Surah At-Tawbah 9:31 we have a different Trinity by Allah. “They have taken as lords beside Allah their rabbis and their monks and the Messiah son of Mary, when they were bidden to worship only One Allah. …” Allah can’t make up his mind, do the Christians worship:

  1. Allah, The Messiah and Mary
  2. Allah, Rabbis (Jews), Monks (Christians) and the Messiah

What happened to Mary in 9:31? All of a sudden she disappeared, Allah now adds Monks for the Christians. Even their god just like the Muslims doesn’t know what Christians believe.

It’s clear Allah doesn’t know what the Trinity is; even though we know Allah is really Muhammad masquerading as god who forgot what he said in one part of the Qur’ān and then contradicts himself in another part of the Qur’ān. Big poo poo!

Surah Al-Ma’idah 5:17

Surah Al-Ma’idah 5:17 They indeed have disbelieved who say: Lo! Allah is the Messiah, son of Mary. … And Allah is Able to do all things.

Muslims believe Allah is the name of their god, so how can the Qur’ān say that Christians believe Allah is the Messiah, in other words, Jesus is Allah the name of their god? Additionally, the verse says Allah can do all things, yet he cannot have a son because he needs a girlfriend to have sexual intercourse [6:101]. What kind of god is limited that he needs a woman (spouse or consort) to have a son. This is how humans produce offspring and Allah can only do what his creation can in producing a son.[7]

This ayat only serves to prove that Allah cannot do all things as he’s limited in what he’s capable of. Yahweh is capable of having a Son as that’s not impossible for Him, this is why the God of the Bible is called Almighty.

Surah Al-Ma’idah 5:72

Here we see the redundancy of Allah in Surah Al-Ma’idah 5:72 “They surely disbelieve who say: Lo! Allah is the Messiah, son of Mary. …”, this god repeats himself over and over that’s how cults get their doctrine into your head. Allah has nothing new to say just repetitive garbage.

Muslims attack the heretical teaching of Tritheism, believing in three separate Gods. Christians believe only in One God as the Torah proclaims. Allah cannot understand how the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are the 1 Almighty God. If God could be placed in a perfect box-like Allah can then you need to find yourself a new god.

There’s plurality in unity in the Torah we read how a husband and wife become one flesh. Does this mean they become one person? Of course not! Adam and Eve were still 2 separate persons who now as husband and wife are in perfect union with one another.

Genesis 2:24

Islam lacks this concept as Muslims are under the false assumption that God must be a solitary person, how can Allah be “the Merciful” (الرَّحِيمِ) if he Allah existed all alone. He would have a need to create mankind first in order to be merciful, this means Allah lacked something and out of necessity had to create mankind. The same question has to be asked how can Allah be “Ar-Rahman” (the Most Gracious) (الرَّحْمَٰنِ الرَّحِيمِ) if he had none to be gracious too? Allah is truly limited.

In comparison Yahweh, the Father, Son and Holy Spirit were always eternally together in perfect union or fellowship. The God of the Bible is Love and didn’t need to create in order to be loving because all 3 Persons of the Trinity (Godhead) can be loving to one another before creation. Yahweh never lacked anything and it was out of love He created mankind.

Just like Adam and Eve are a picture of the union between all 3 Persons in the Trinity.[8] God is all self-sufficient and is sociable among the three Eternal Persons, we have communication all throughout the New Testament as the Son communicated with His Father (John 12:27-28).

The Father acknowledges His love for the Son (Matthew 17:5; Mark 9:7; Luke 9:35).[9] While Allah the god of Islam is mute and doesn’t communicate with his creation.

Conclusion

What have we learned today? Well, we’ve learned that Allah doesn’t know the concept of the Trinity and attributes false accusations toward Jews and Christians. Muslims believe in a god that lacked and needed to create mankind in order to show he’s “merciful”, this cannot be god. The true God Yahweh is superior in every way as all 3 Persons eternally loved each other and had perfect fellowship. The God of the Bible communicates not only between each other, but also communicates and loves His creation, which includes Muslims also.

Wake up Muhammadians Allah is a powerless idol who cannot provide anything. Come into the Light of Jesus Christ who created you in His image. May the Lord be magnified!

Footnotes

[1] “That the New Testament is monotheistic at the core is a fact recognized generally on all sides. The shadow of the Shema “Hear O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord” (Deut. 6:4), though never quoted in the New Testament (though alluded to in James 2:19), broods over its pages with all the weight it carried in Old Testament times, being the chief and holiest declaration of the Jewish religion. Such a monotheistic view pervades the whole outlook of Jesus: “It is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God and serve him only’” (Luke 4:8).” Beisner, E. C. (1984). God in three persons (Ser. Living studies). Tyndale House. pp. 26-27

[2] “God the Father is preeminently the one who plans and ordains and initiates the course of history and the events that take place. The Father sends the Son into the world to accomplish redemption. The idea os sending presupposes that the Father ha already determined a mission for the Son. What the Son accomplishes is what the Father has planned. The Holy Spirit applies the accomplishments of the Son to those who are united to the Son by faith. (See fig 12.1) So we have three aspects: planning, accomplishment, and application. In the large story of redemption, these aspects have a succession in time. The planning belongs to the past. God has already planned from before the foundation of the world what he would do in redemption (Eph 1:4; 1 Peter 1:20; Rev 13:8). The accomplishments belong especially to the time of the earthly life of Christ, including his death and resurrection (“made manifest,” 1 Peter 1:20). The application belongs especially to the time when the Holy Spirit is at work from Pentecost onward” Poythress, V. S. (2020). The mystery of the trinity : a trinitarian approach to the attributes of God. P&R Publishing Company. pp. 94-95

[3] “(And the Jews) the Jews of Medina (say: Ezra is the son of Allah, and the Christians) the Christians of Najran (say: The Messiah is the son of Allah. That is their saying with their mouths) with their tongues. (They imitate the saying of those who disbelieved of old) before them, i.e. the disbelievers of Mecca who said that al-Lat, al-‘Uzza and Manat were His daughters, just as the Jews claimed that Ezra was the son of Allah and some of the Christians claimed that Jesus was the son of Allah, others that he was Allah’s partner while there were others who said that he was Allah Himself or one god among three. (Allah (Himself) fights against them) Allah curses them. (How perverse are they!) from where do they get their lies?” Tafsir Ibn ‘Abbas (2021). Surah At-Tawbah. Retrieved from https://www.altafsir.com/Tafasir.asp?tMadhNo=0&tTafsirNo=73&tSoraNo=9&tAyahNo=30&tDisplay=yes&UserProfile=0&LanguageId=2

[4] “Allah will also speak to His servant and Messenger, `Isa son of Maryam, peace be upon him, saying to him on the Day of Resurrection in the presence of those who worshipped `Isa and his mother as gods besides Allah, (O `Isa, son of Maryam! Did you say unto men: `Worship me and my mother as two gods besides Allah’) This is a threat and a warning to Christians, chastising them in public, as Qatadah and others said, and Qatadah mentioned this Ayah as evidence, (“This is a Day on which the truthful will profit from their truth.”) 5:119 Allah’s statement, (Glory be to You! It was not for me to say what I had no right (to say)…) contains Allah’s direction for `Isa to utter the perfect answer. Ibn Abi Hatim recorded that Abu Hurayrah said, “`Isa will be taught his argument in reply to what Allah will ask him, (And (remember) when Allah will say (on the Day of Resurrection): “O `Isa, son of Maryam! Did you say unto men: `Worship me and my mother as two gods besides Allah’) 5:116 .” Abu Hurayrah then narrated that the Prophet said that Allah taught `Isa to say, (Glory be to You! It was not for me to say what I had no right (to say)…) Ath-Thawri narrated this Hadith from Ma`mar from Ibn Tawus from Tawus. `Isa’s statement, (Had I said such a thing, You would surely have known it.) means, had I said it, You, my Lord, would have known it, for nothing escapes Your knowledge. Rather, I have not said these words nor did the thought even cross my mind, this why he said, (You know what is in my inner self though I do not know what is in Yours, truly, You, only You, are the Knower of all that is hidden and unseen. Never did I say to them ought except what You (Allah) did command me to say…) and convey, (Worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord.) I only called them to what You sent me with and commanded me to convey to them, …” alim.org (2022) APA citation. Surah 5. Al-Maida. Ayah 116 Ibn-Kathir Al-Qur’an Tafsir Retrieved from https://www.alim.org/quran/tafsir/ibn-kathir/surah/5/116

[5] “This verse confirms that Maryam (Mary – peace be upon her) is not divine, on two counts: (i) Her status is that of siddeeqiyyah (being strong and true in faith), which is a status of servitude to Allah, may He be exalted. (ii) She used to eat food, which is the description of a created being who has needs; it is not the description of God Who is independent of means and has no need of His creation.” islamqa.info (2016, December 19) APA citation. What is the concept of the Christian Trinity that the Qur’an declares to be false? Retrieved from https://islamqa.info/en/answers/243142/what-is-the-concept-of-the-christian-trinity-that-the-quran-declares-to-be-false

[6] alim.org (2022) APA citation. Surah 5. Al-Maida. Ayah 72 Ibn-Kathir Al-Qur’an Tafsir Retrieved from https://www.alim.org/quran/tafsir/ibn-kathir/surah/5/72

[7] “He is the Originator of the heavens and the earth which He originated uniquely without precedent; how should He have a son when He has no consort spouse and He created everything that was meant to be created and He has knowledge of all things?” altafsir.com Tafsir al-Jalalayn (2021) APA citation. Surah Al-An’am. Retrieved from https://www.altafsir.com/Tafasir.asp?tMadhNo=0&tTafsirNo=74&tSoraNo=6&tAyahNo=101&tDisplay=yes&UserProfile=0&LanguageId=2

[8] “Genesis 2:24 is responding to the question of why a person would leave the closet biological relationship (parents to children) in order to forge a relationship with a biological outsider. The answer offered is that marriage goes beyond biology to recover an original state, for humanity is ontologically gendered. Ontology trumps biology. This has shown Adam that the woman is not just a reproductive mating partner. Her identity is that she is his ally, his other half” Walton, J. H. (2015). The lost world of adam and eve: genesis 2-3 and the human origins debate. InterVarsity Press., pp. 80-81

[9] “In more detail, we may find the following emephasis here. First, man is prior to woman (1 Cor 11:8, 9; 1 Tim 2:13). Secondly, the sexes are complementary: the true partnership is expounded by the terms that are used (a helper fit for him, 18, 20, RSV; literally ‘a help as opposite him’, i.e. ‘corresponding to him’), by the fruitless search elsewhere, as man discerns the natures (expressing them in the names, 20) of other creatures, and by the fact that Eve is of the very stuff of Adam and yet a wholly new being. Adam’s joyful ‘at last …’ (23, RSV) grows into the first poetic couplet in the Bible, and his work of naming is triumphantly concluded in a title that echoes his own. Thirdly, the union of the two in marriage is to be exclusive” Kidner, D. (2008). Genesis: an introduction and commentary (Ser. Tyndale old testament commentaries, v. 1). IVP Academic.

Sheikh Uthman Ibn Farooq Get’s Busted

If you’re familiar with Muslim Dawah, there’s a Muslim Missionary in Balboa Park in San Diego by the name of Ibn Farooq. He has set up a booth and challenges Christians and others trying to prove that Islam is true. He brings out a marked/tabbed Bible which he uses to try to convince Christians of supposed “contradictions.”

If a Christian makes the claim that Allah doesn’t exist, Muslims say that Allah is mentioned in the Arabic Bible. If Allah of the Qur’ān is the same God of the Bible then we should be able to compare them both and come to the conclusion that they are the same God. But are they?

In this article we’ll do just that, we’re going to look at both the Bible and Qur’ān to see if Allah and Yahweh are the same?

Surah An-Nisa 4:82

The Son of God (Bible VS Qur’ān)

It’s a well-known fact that Christians worship Jesus Christ as the Son of God, He’s the eternal Son who is God. The Bible mentions this in multiple places (Daniel 3:25, Matthew 4:3, 6, Matthew 14:33, Matthew 26:63, Matthew 27:40, 43, 54, Mark 1:1, Mark 3:11, Mark 15:39, Luke 1:35, Luke 3:38, Luke 4:3, 9, 41, Luke 22:70, John 1:34, 49, John 5:25, John 9:35, John 10:36, John 11:4, 27, John 19:7, John 20:31, Acts 8:37, Acts 9:20, Romans 1:4, 2 Corinthians 1:19, Galatians 2:20, Ephesians 4:13, Hebrews 4:14, Hebrews 6:6, Hebrews 7:3, Hebrews 10:29, 1 John 3:8, 1 John 4:15, 1 John 5:5, 10, 12-13, 20, Revelation 2:18).

In the Arabic Bible, we have verses such as John 9:35 where the Lord Jesus asked the blind man He healed if he now believes in the Son of God.

John 9:35

In the Arabic Bible, the words are (أَتُؤْمِنُ بِابْنِ اللَّهِ؟) translated “Do you believe in the Son of God?”

What about the most well known Bible verse in the world John 3:16? The God of the Bible has a Son, Jesus Christ. In the Arabic Bible, the words (بَذَلَ ابْنَهُ الْوَ) are translated “gave his Son”.1 That means Muslims agree that Allah has a Son since they want to use the Arabic Bible to prove Allah exists.

John 3:16

If Muslims appeal to the Bible claiming the word Allah used in the Bible means the same God then Muslims must also accept Jesus Christ as the Son of God, and thereby they refute their own Qur’ān.

Here’s where the Qur’ān contradicts the Bible, it’s well known that Muslims don’t believe Jesus is the Son of God as the Qur’ān says. The Qur’ān says Allah doesn’t beget nor was He begotten.

Surah Al-Isra 17:43

I would like to see how Muslims reconcile this? You cannot appeal to the Bible claiming we worship the same God and at the same time reject it because remember Sheikh Uthman Ibn Farooq claims they are the same. And the Muslims love Uthman, will they continue to agree with Sheikh Uthman Ibn Farooq?

The Trinity (Bible VS Qur’ān)

Muslims love asking Christians “where in the Bible does it say, Trinity?” This is a valid question and honestly speaking the word Trinity doesn’t appear in the Bible, another word does and that’s Godhead.

Additionally, we have multiple verses which teach the concept of the Trinity.

Matthew 3:16-17 we have a clear view of the Trinity, the Lord Jesus goes to John the Baptist and gets baptised. When this happens the heavens were opened and the Spirit of God came down upon Christ. Lastly, there’s a voice from heaven saying this is my beloved Son, in one moment you have all 3 Persons of the Trinity.

Matthew 3:16-17

But just as our Muslim friends ask to see the word Trinity in the Bible, can they show us the word Tawheed in the Qur’ān? It doesn’t exist. The word Tawheed means unification NOT oneness as Muslims like to believe.

Even though our friends still say Yahweh is Allah this cannot be true. The God of the Bible is Triune, Allah is not and therefore they cannot be the same.

Surah Al-Ma’idah 5:73

This Qur’ān verse 5:73 contradicts another verse in the Qur’ān which proves the Trinity, which you’ll see further down (remember Qur’ān 4:82 at the beginning of this article). If these are supposed to be the words of god why are we finding all of these contradictions? The challenge made by Allah falls flat.

Jesus Christ is God (Bible VS Qur’ān)

Colossians 2:9

This is a problematic verse for Muslims because the context is speaking of Jesus Christ as God. We’re told that believers (Christians) in Christ “are And ye are complete in him,” and that Jesus is “the head of all principality and power:”

“Paul here asserts that “all the πληρωμα of the Godhead,” not just certain aspects, dwells in Christ and in bodily form (σωματικως, late and rare adverb, in Plutarch, inscription, here only in N.T.), dwells now in Christ in his glorified humanity (Php 2:9-11 ), “the body of his glory” (τω σωματ της δοξης). The fulness of the God-head was in Christ before the Incarnation (Joh 1:1,18; Php 2:6 ), during the Incarnation (Joh 1:14,18; 1Jo 1:1-3 ). It was the Son of God who came in the likeness of men (Php 2:7 ). Paul here disposes of the Docetic theory that Jesus had no human body as well as the Cerinthian separation between the man Jesus and the aeon Christ. He asserts plainly the deity and the humanity of Jesus Christ in corporeal form. Col 2:10” New Testament Greek scholar AT Robertson in his book Word Pictures In The New Testament.2

Godhead

The Inflected Greek word is θεότητος (theótitos) stemming from the Root word θεότης (theotēs) and the Root Word of θεότης is θεός (theós).

θεότης theótēs, theh-ot’-ace; divinity (abstractly):—godhead. Biblical Usage (deity, the state of being God, Godhead)

The Qur’ān also proves the Trinity and that Jesus is God and Muslims are unaware of this fact in [4:171], we’re here to bust Muhammad and his lying ways. “Christ Jesus” otherwise known as Isa according to Muslims was (1) a messenger of Allah which means he’s a man (2) His Word or the Word of Allah which means uncreated because Muslims believe Allah’s word is eternal (3) and a spirit proceeding from Him this means a spirit proceeding from Allah.

Surah An-Nisa 4:171

This verse in the Qur’ān is trying to disprove the Trinity but in actuality confirms it. As Isa (“Jesus”) himself is 3, a messenger, His Word and a spirit proceeding from Allah. And since Allah’s Word is not created and he said “Be” (Allah created everything by saying Be) and it was as Muslims believe. That means Isa is not created and Allah created everything through Jesus, and Jesus is a spirit coming from Allah.3 Unless Muslims disagree and want to say Allah’s word is created but they won’t dare to say that.

Jesus is wakalimatuhu 

(إِنَّمَا الْمَسِيحُ عِيسَى ابْنُ مَرْيَمَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ وَكَلِمَتُهُ)

Conclusion

In this article, we proved that Jesus is the Son of God from the Arabic Bible, that the Trinity is found in the Qur’ān and that Jesus is God. It’s very easy to prove Islam is false and bust Abdools from their own books. We pray for their souls to be saved by coming to Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of their sins. Leave Islam before it’s too late, the only True God is found in the Bible come to Jesus Christ for everlasting life.

Footnotes

1 International Biblical Association Word Project John 3:16 Retrieved from https://www.wordproject.org/bibles/ar/43/3.htm#0

2 New Testament Greek scholar AT Robertson in his book Word Pictures In The New Testament (Grand Rapids, MI: Christian Classics Ethereal Library 1993., p. 1558).

3 All of the attributes of Allah, may He be exalted, are uncreated; they are eternal, with no beginning. The words of Allah are among these attributes, and that includes the Qur’ān. Therefore the scholars said that the Qur’ān is not created, because it is the words of Allah, and that is one of His attributes. – Islamqa.info (2015, July 20). The Qur’an is the word of Allah, may He be exalted, and is not created Retrieved from https://islamqa.info/en/answers/227441/the-quran-is-the-word-of-allah-may-he-be-exalted-and-is-not-created

Can Muslims be “Friends” with Non-Muslims?

Our Muslim friends are at it again, we enjoy showing them the truth time and time again perhaps one day they’ll learn that they don’t know as much as they think they do. Either way, we love Muslims and pray for their salvation. And that brings up something quite hilarious.

On their blog, it reads “A Quiet Place in Cyberspace Dedicated to the Search for Truth and Salvation”, this word comes from the Bible as Christians use it to explain the redemption Christ Jesus has procured for us. Why are Muslims using Christian terminology?

Salvation in Arabic is (خلاص), this word was placed in Google translate, note on the bottom left. It mentions that Christians believe in salvation through faith in Christ. In the Qur’ān the word salvation is not used, you’ll find words like successful, attainment, victory etc. Yusuf Ali primarily had translated words like (الْمُفْلِحِينَ) which means “prosperous” into “salvation”, this is a deceptive translation.

Also provided is the Arabic dictionary as you can see the word (خلاص) and its definition. Therefore, we highly recommend that qnBb changes its title to reflect what Islam teaches.

Don’t expect them to change it because they dabble in deception and want people to think there’s salvation in Islam when in reality there’s none. Even Muhammad didn’t know if he would make it to Jannah, but I digress that this is a topic for another time.

The “Evidence” 2 John 9–11 (Surah Ali ‘Imran 3:28)

This will turn out bad for the Abdools, I hope they’re prepared. In their weak attempt to attack Christianity Muslims grossly misinterpret scriptures in hopes to get people to believe in their false religion. The ignorance of Abdools is on another level!

The unknown author of this letter did not mince words regarding associating with unbelievers. A Christian was forbidden to greet such a person or to let him in his house.

Can Christians be “Friends” with Non-Christians?

Internal evidence for the authorship of 1 John:

Incorrect, we do know who wrote 2 John. It was the Apostle John the same one who wrote John and 1 John said:

John 13:23

During the last supper in the upper room before Judas Iscariot would leave the company to betray Jesus to the Pharisees, John was sitting close to Christ, he was an eyewitness of all that Jesus Christ did which leads to 1 John 1:1.

1 John 1:1

The disciple John was part of the inner circle along with Peter and James. The 3 were privy to when Christ revealed His glory on the top of the Mount of Transfiguration. John would have touched, heard, and seen the miracles of Christ personally.

Keywords (emphasis ours): “That which was from the beginning, … we have heard,seen with our eyes, … we have looked upon,our hands have handled, of the Word of life;”.

A clear reading of the Gospel of John along with 1st, 2nd 3rd John and Revelation, John provides evidence that the one named the beloved disciple, also known as the disciple whom Jesus loved, is also the author of the named books.

This known phrase “the disciple whom Jesus loved” materialises a total of 5 times in the Gospel of John. This disciple has a prominent role to the extent that Simon Peter asked “Lord, and what shall this man do?” in reference to the beloved disciple’s ministry in John chapter 21.

External evidence for the authorship of 1 John:

Quotes from the Epistle as being authored by John the Apostle are Irenaeus 1 in his work against Heresies mentions John by name stating that he taught certain principles namely Jesus as the only begotten Son of God, in which the Father created all things.

Other notable mentions are Clement of Alexandria,2 Tertullian, Origen and his pupil Dionysius who argued for the authorship of Johannine works.

If they understood the background of 2 John they wouldn’t make this grave mistake. The background of 2 John is a continuation of 1 John. The context is Christians who were travelling from house to house, in which Christians would gather for worship and fellowship before the construction of Church buildings. The Apostle John was writing to warn of false teachers who were masquerading as Christians and bringing into the congregation erroneous doctrine.

This is the background of 2 John, with that context in view we can now turn to the passage qnBb brought into question.

2 John 9-11

2 John 9-11 explains how if an individual comes and teaches false doctrine (like Muhammad) is not welcomed. These false teachers don’t “abide in the doctrine of Christ”, and what is that doctrine? It’s that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, God in the flesh, that He died for our sins and rose from the dead for our justification. That we can have salvation through the atoning death of the Lamb of God.

As well as the doctrine of the Trinity (Abdool trigger!), hence John writes stating whoever denies the fact that the Father and the Son collectively are the One True God. We are to not allow them to spread their cancerous doctrine in the assembly.3 Nowhere does it speak about not being friends with non-Christians. The Lord Jesus is called a friend of sinners (Matthew 11:19; Luke 7:34) as followers of Christ we are called to imitate Him.

If someone posing as a Muslim at a Masjid was spreading teachings contrary to Islam they wouldn’t be welcomed. This is the context of 2 John, he’s not telling Christians they cannot be friends with non-Christians. Now let’s bring this into the Qur’ān where Muslims are told not to be friends with non-Muslims. In Surah Al-Ma’idah the words from their god Allah says:

Surah Ali ‘Imran 3:28

Believers are discouraged in Islam from taking unbelievers as friends, if they do Allah will not help them. And it gets worse. Allah commands Muslims to not be friends with people who don’t believe in Allah.

Surah Al-Ma’idah 5:51

According to their Qur’ān Muslims are not allowed to take Jews or Christians as friends. It’s plain and simple, they try to add the word “war” etc. This verse mentions nothing about war, it has to do with a person’s BELIEF because they are not a Muslim, therefore, it’s not allowed to be friends with them.4 This is why the Qur’ān says if you do then you are one of them, in other words no longer a Muslim.

Here’s the Tafsir (emphasis ours):

(Let not the believers take) the believers ought not to take [the hypocrites:] ‘Abdullah Ibn Ubayy and his companions [and] (disbelievers) the Jews (for their friends) so as to become mighty and honourable (in preference to believers) who are sincere. (Whoso doeth that) seeking might and honour [by taking the hypocrites and disbelievers as friends] (hath no connection with Allah) has no honour, mercy or protection from Allah (unless (it be) that ye but guard yourselves against them) save yourselves from them, (taking (as it were) security) saving yourselves from them by speaking in a friendly way towards them with, while your hearts dislikes this. (Allah bideth you beware (only) of Himself) regarding the shunning of unlawful killing, unlawful sex, unlawful property, consuming intoxicants, false testimony and associating partners with Allah. (Unto Allah is the journeying) the return after death.5

Tafsir Ibn ‘Abbas

The donkeys at qnBb are unaware the homes spoken of by John are house churches. Christians gathered in different homes to worship and learn doctrine spoken of by the Lord Jesus passed on to His Apostles, and to the disciples. The 2nd Epistle of John is a letter warning the believers of the Gnostics who claimed “secret knowledge”, John was against their false teachings as they denied Christ came in the flesh.

The muta’h boys are arguing for heretical teaching. The Gnostics taught Jesus didn’t come in the flesh, that’s a direct rejection of the Qur’ān as this would deny that Isa came in the flesh. It’s hilarious they quote the church fathers as if they’re saying Christians cannot be friends with non-Christians.

The context is not to fellowship with those who teach erroneous doctrines masquerading as a Christian when they’re anything but. Cults such as Arianism, and Sabellianism are against orthodox Christianity.

It’s in this context the church fathers are read, when done so it’s clear to see they’re against cult teachings not people. Looking at the quotes in light of people like Jehovah’s Witnesses who teach Jesus is not God (Arianism), Oneness Pentecostals who say Jesus and the Father are the same Person (Sabellianism) or Mormons who teach Christ is one of many gods (polytheism).6

  1. Tertullian: “Although we ought to be seeking at all times, where ought we to seek? Among the heretics, where all is foreign and opposed to our truth, with whom we are forbidden to associate?”
  2. Ambrose of Milan: “Since it is written that we should avoid such people, how can we not assume that someone who associates with Arians is also an exponent of their heresy?”
  3. Hilary of Arles: “Here you see an example of excommunication in the New Testament, both from table fellowship at home and from table fellowship in church.”
  4. Irenaeus of Lyons: “By wishing that we do not even give them a welcome, John, the Lord’s disciple, made their condemnation even stronger.”
  5. Clement of Alexandria: “John forbids us to greet such people or to offer them hospitality, which in the circumstances is not at all unkind. But he also warns us not to argue or dispute with people who are unable to handle the things of God, lest we should be taken away from the true doctrine by clever arguments which have the appearance of truth. Furthermore, I think that it is wrong to pray with such people, because during times of prayer there is a moment for greeting and sharing the peace.”
  6. Didymus the Blind: “Anyone who dwells in the doctrine of the gospel and who acts according to its teaching will separate himself from those who think and act differently.”

The Abdools then said:

“… we saved the best for last. Basil “The Great” plainly stated that Christians cannot be “friends” with non-Christians. …”

Can Christians be “Friends” with Non-Christians?

Let’s be clear Christians follow Jesus Christ, not the church fathers or anyone else, qnBb mentions Basil “The Great” (emphasis ours):

It is obvious that those who make friends of people who SPEAK FALSELY about God and who even eat with them do not love the Lord who made them and who feeds them. Instead of being content with that food they are led away into blasphemy against the one who feeds them.”

Basil “The Great”

I guess qnBb likes people speaking falsely about Allah their god. Perhaps they can take a few non-Muslims out to dinner who speak against Islam unless qnBb are hypocrites and won’t prove otherwise?

The “Evidence” 1 Corinthians 5:9–11

Thank you muta’h boys for a good laugh, it was fun! Muslim ignorance rears its ugly head again, 1 Corinthians 5:9–11 is speaking about someone who’s in fellowship in a local assembly. In other words, a Christian who is going around practising sin, as Christians we cannot tolerate sin among the fellowship of believers and the offending party is to be put out of assembly fellowship.

By doing so these sinful practices will not spread to the rest of the believers. As it’s said leaven corrupts and spreads like yeast in bread. The Lord Jesus said, “Take heed, beware of the leaven of the Pharisees, and of the leaven of Herod” (Mark 8:15).

And in keeping in context with 1 Corinthians Paul the apostle said: “Your glorying [is] not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump? Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us: Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened [bread] of sincerity and truth.” (1 Corinthians 5:6-8).

Garland, D. E. (2003). 1 Corinthians (Ser. Baker exegetical commentary on the new testament). Baker Academic. p. 184-185

Garland in his exegetical commentary on the New Testament draws from the text, that the Corinthians had a problem in the church. There was an incident of an individual who committed incest with his father’s wife, this sin was unacceptable but the believers in the Corinthian church didn’t confront the man, thereby being complacent. Paul rebukes them saying this should not have happened.7

Muhammad on the other hand committed all sorts of sexual sins, he had sex with a minor as a child paedophile (Sahih al-Bukhari 5133), any believing woman can give herself to the prophet for sex (Quran 33:50).

Muhammad contradicted himself because he said in the book of Jame’ Alsag’er (Imam Al-Soiuty), Hadith 2994: “Any woman, [if] she gives herself to a man to marry him without her father’s, or man of the house’s permission, she is a whore”

Jame’ Alsag’er (Imam Al-Soiuty), Hadith 2994

Comparing this to 33:50 we have to ask the question, how can the woman, who gives herself to marry a man be a whore, but the woman who gives herself to Muhammad be a good/pious woman? Challenge give one woman’s name who became a wife to Muhammad by giving herself to him. None of his wives gave herself to him as there’s no such thing as marriage in Islam. Proof Muhammad was a sexually immoral man.

Conclusion

The truth is that Muslims worship an immoral man called Muhammad which means “the praised one”, how can a sinful man be praised? As a Christian, the only One who gets praised is God alone. The black stone smoochers love sin and are hypocritical, these are traits from Satan himself because that’s who Allah is. We can only continue to provide evidence from their own sources, showing them how sinful their prophet is, a man who allowed sexual immorality, lying, killing, extortion and a whole slew of other sinful practices.

We’ll close out this article with the words of their “god” Allah, notice how Allah wants to spread terror into the hearts of unbelievers. That’s not all he wants Muslims to smite people on the neck and cut off their fingertips.

Surah Al-Anfal 8:12

What god commands such wickedness? Allah must love chicken fingers, maybe we should get him a bucket of KFC? Come to Christ our Muslim friends, the Lord Jesus knocks will you invite Him in? (Revelation 3:20)

And Allah (Shameful and Perish He’ll be) doesn’t know best!

Footnotes

1 “Further, they teach that John, the disciple of the Lord, indicated the first Ogdoad, expressing themselves in these words: John, the disciple of the Lord, wishing to set forth the origin of all things, so as to explain how the Father produced the whole, lays down a certain principle,—that, namely, which was first-begotten by God, which Being he has termed both the only-begotten Son and God, in whom the Father, after a seminal manner, brought forth all things.” Irenaeus of Lyons, “Irenæus against Heresies, 1.8.5.” in The Apostolic Fathers with Justin Martyr and Irenaeus, ed. Alexander Roberts, James Donaldson, and A. Cleveland Coxe, vol. 1, The Ante-Nicene Fathers (Buffalo, NY: Christian Literature Company, 1885), 328.

2 ”Peter having preached the word publicly at Rome, and by the Spirit proclaimed the Gospel, those who were present, who were numerous, entreated Mark, inasmuch as he had attended him from an early period, and remembered what had been said, to write down what had been spoken. On his composing the Gospel, he handed it to those who had made the request to him; which coming to Peter’s knowledge, he neither hindered nor encouraged. But John, the last of all, seeing that what was corporeal was set forth in the Gospels, on the entreaty of his intimate friends, and inspired by the Spirit, composed a spiritual Gospel.” Clement of Alexandria, “Fragments of Clemens Alexandrinus,” in Fathers of the Second Century: Hermas, Tatian, Athenagoras, Theophilus, and Clement of Alexandria (Entire), ed. Alexander Roberts, James Donaldson, and A. Cleveland Coxe, trans. William Wilson, vol. 2, The Ante-Nicene Fathers (Buffalo, NY: Christian Literature Company, 1885), 580.

3 “Such hospitality was open to easy abuse, however. There was the false teacher, on the one hand, who yet posed as a Christian: should hospitality be extended to him? And there was the more obvious mountebank, the false prophet with false credentials, who was dominated less by the creed he had to offer than by the material profit and free board and lodging he hoped to gain. It is against this background that we must read the Second and Third Epistles of John, for in them the Elder issues instructions concerning whom to welcome and whom to refuse, and why. Genuine Christian missionaries, he writes, maybe recognized both by the message they bring and by the motive which inspires them. If they faithfully proclaim the doctrine of Christ (cf. 2 Jn. 7), and if they have set out not for filthy lucre but for the sake of His name (3 Jn. 7), then they should both be received and helped forward on their journey ‘as befits God’s service (3 Jn. 6, RSV)” Stott JRW. The Letters of John: An Introduction and Commentary. 2nd ed. (Leicester, England: Inter-Varsity Press; 1988), p. 199

4 “Taking them as friends in general terms, taking them as helpers and supporters, and throwing in one’s lot with them. Allaah forbids all this, as He says (interpretation of the meaning): “O you who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians as awliya’ (friends, protectors, helpers, etc.), they are but awliya’ to one another…” [al-Maa’idah 5:51].” Islamqa.info (1998, September 10) APA citation. Clarification of the important rule: it is haraam to take kaafirs as close friends and protectors. Retrieved from https://islamqa.info/en/answers/2179/clarification-of-the-important-rule-it-is-haraam-to-take-kaafirs-as-close-friends-and-protectors

5 altafsir.com (2021) APA citation. Tafsir Ibn ‘Abbas. Retrieved from https://www.altafsir.com/Tafasir.asp?tMadhNo=0&tTafsirNo=73&tSoraNo=3&tAyahNo=28&tDisplay=yes&UserProfile=0&LanguageId=2

6 Gerald Bray., & Thomas C. Oden (2020). Ancient Christian Commentary on Scripture: James, 1-2 Peter, 1-3 John, Jude, Volume XI (Downers Grove, Illinois: InterVarsity Press, 2000).

7 Garland, D. E. (2003). 1 Corinthians (Ser. Baker exegetical commentary on the new testament). Baker Academic. p. 184-185

Response to an Abdool: Was Jesus “Worshiped” in the Gospels?

The Lord Jesus Christ be magnified! We pray for Muslims to be saved by them confessing that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father (Philippians 2:11). Let us now have some halal fun.

Here’s our response to our Muslim friends at quranandBibleblog article titled Response to a Christian Apologist: Was Jesus “Worshiped” in the Gospels? We pray for their lost souls to come to the salvation Jesus Christ has procured for them at the cross of Calvary.

On the Title “Abdul”

Before we get into the main topic, it is quite comical that this obvious fan of “Christian Prince” refers to Muslims as “Abduls”, as if it is an insult. Though it is not my actual name, I am proud to call myself Abdullah, the slave/servant of Allah. The irony is that Jesus is also the “slave/servant of Allah”, as stated in Acts 3:13:

Response to a Christian Apologist: Was Jesus “Worshiped” in the Gospels?

Do I hear crying? I think the Abdools need tissues. The ignorance of Muslims is astounding! To be a slave and servant are not the same. Notice the deception of from quranandBibleblog, they tried to equate the two as if they are the same when they are different.

First Muhammad’s father was named Abdullāh (عبدالله) which means: Slave of Allah, but Muhammad’s father was a pagan so who was he slave of? The meaning of Abdul is slave NOT servant. We’ve just busted quranandBibleblog in their deception because they have no honour and lie just like their father the devil. Our Muslim friends mentioned Acts 3:13 claiming Jesus is a slave of God, here’s the verse:

Acts 3:13

In Acts 3:13 the word (παῖδα) has a wide range of meanings.

Definition: boy, child, youth, usually below the age of puberty and not necessarily male; a personal servant, slave, attendant, with a possible implication of kind regard or close relationship; the word used in the Greek version of Isaiah, quoted in NT, for servant of the Lord.

servant noun: ser·​vant | \ ˈsər-vənt
Definition of servant: one that performs duties about the person or home of a master or personal employer (emphasis ours).[1]

slave noun: ˈslāv
Definition of slave(1) a person held in forced servitude (2) a person who is completely subservient to a dominating influence (emphasis ours).[2]

Christians are servants because Jesus Christ is our God/Master. But Abdools are slaves of Allah because he’s forced or dominated them.

Mark 10:42-45

Jesus Christ said any believer who desired to be great must become a servant (διάκονος / diakonos) which means a minister (to serve). And the one who desires to be first would become a slave (δοῦλος / doulos) to all, once again we got quranandBibleblog busted.

The muta’h boys fail to understand that a slave is forced into slavery against their will a “servant is one who is hired to perform regular household or other duties and receives compensation as opposed to a slave”,[3] while a servant is someone who receives compensation for their services.

Here are points made from differencebetween.com on how slaves and servants differ from one another to prove they aren’t the same.[4]

  1. Many servants lived a life similar to that of slaves, but they were hopeful of freedom after the end of their contract.
  2. Obedience is the essence of slavery whereas service is the essence of servitude.
  3. Anyone offering his services is a servant whereas anyone offering obedience is a slave.
  4. A servant is free to work for the chosen master, whereas a slave is forced to work against his will.

As Christians, we’re not only servants as Jesus Christ Himself said He’s a servant (not slave). We read that in the following verses:

Matthew 20:28
Mark 10:45

To minister (διακονῆσαι / diakoneō) means to be a servant, the Lord Jesus not only gave us the definition of what it means to be a servant He also demonstrated the role of one who’s a servant it’s a wonderful well-known passage the story of Jesus Washing the Disciples’ Feet in the book of John.

John 13:5-17

Not only did Christ say He came to serve, He told believers we are to serve one another, not that we are slaves like the Abdool. Additionally, the Lord Jesus said that Christians are children of God. We have an intimate relationship with God as He is our Father.

A slave doesn’t have an intimate relationship as they are forced by Allah to be slaves, and Christ said a slave (δοῦλος) doesn’t abide in the house forever, but a son does.[5] If they are so proud to be called Abdool then why explain “how proud they are?”

Deception by Abdools

… he tried to protect his Bible by attempting to use the Quran and Sunnah as a shield (i.e., by claiming that both “confirm” that the Bible is true scripture). Instead of wasting time with this pathetic distraction, let it suffice that this issue has already dealt with in a separate article.

Response to a Christian Apologist: Was Jesus “Worshiped” in the Gospels?

In other words, quranandBibleblog is calling their prophet a donkey because Muhammad said that he believes in the Torah and Injil. Are the Abdools ready to say that the Torah and Injil we have in our possession is not sent by Allah? Let me get this Abdool busted.

The Qur’ān says the TorahPsalms, and the Gospel were all given by Allah. But, Muslims claim the Bible is corrupted. If that’s true, then it would seem they do not believe the Qur’ān since Allah says that the Word of Allah cannot be changed:

The Arabic says (وَلَا مُبَدِّلَ لِكَلِمَـٰتِ ٱللَّهِ ۚ) the words “i.e decrees” in the brackets is a false translation as that’s not in the Arabic text. Other ayats which speak about Allah’s words cannot be changed are Surah Al-An’am 6:115 and Surah Yunus 10:64. If they want to continue to insist that Allah’s words were corrupted then they’re saying the Qur’ān is wrong, and the potato god Allah couldn’t protect his words (Torah and Injil).

We Muslims believe that the Bible has been distorted and tampered with by Christian scholars, and it now contains falsehoods and myths that no one with a sound mind can believe. Reading these distorted books is not permissible, except for one who has enough Islamic knowledge to be able to distinguish between truth and falsehood in them, and who reads them with the aim of refuting their followers and convincing them that what is in these books is falsehood.[6]

Learning English by Studying the Bible

And the onus is on them to provide the original Torah and Injil if they would like to say “we don’t have it.” Bring the proof, to say something is corrupted means it would have had to be unaltered to a certain point and then changed. Thereby calling their god a liar.

What does προσκυνέω (proskyneō) Mean?

We’ve said it before countless times, context is key, the issue is that the Qur’ān is a book without context and Muslims lack the understanding of how context is used when determining how any word is to be interpreted. The muta’h boys claim I ignored the fact that “bow down” can be used interchangeably when referring to God or a human of high authority such as a king etc. And while we can agree this still doesn’t change the fact that context should always be used and not only the concordance.

To showcase what we mean by this we’ll take a look at the following verse from the Gospel of Matthew.

Matthew 18:35

In Matthew 18:35 the context is on forgiveness, the Lord Jesus’ disciple Peter asked “how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times?” Christ tells them to forgive “seventy times seven.” He then gives a parable to His disciples concerning the kingdom of heaven which spoke of a certain king. This king began to reckon with his servants, one of the servants owed ten thousand talents and the servant didn’t have the money to repay the king.

The Lord was going to sell him, his wife and children and all that he owned. The servant fell down worshipped him asking to be patient and promising to pay what he owed. The Lord had compassion on him and forgave him of his debt. The same servant went out and came across a fellow-servant who owed him a hundred pence. But the servant had no compassion grabbing him by the throat saying pay me what you owe. Having him thrown into prison.

The king who forgave the servant of his debt was angry saying “O thou wicked servant, I forgave thee all that debt” and had him tossed to the tormentors because the servant had no compassion for his fellow man. Verse 35 mentions the word “brother” we know through context the word brother doesn’t refer to men only but to females also.

The same is true of προσκυνέω the surrounding context (as mentioned before in my original post) determines how the word is to be interpreted. With that said let’s move on, quranandBibleblog mentioned

“So, the fact of the matter is that proskyneō is not limited to simply religious “worship” given to a deity, but rather “bowing down” to a superior being, even if it was another human being. One could compare it to the angels being commanded to bow down to Adam (peace be upon him), as mentioned in the Quran:”

Response to a Christian Apologist: Was Jesus “Worshiped” in the Gospels?

Again, the surrounding context is taken into account when the word “worshipped” is used. For example in the Bible when a person came in contact with God they realised how sinful they are compared to the holiness of God. In the Prophets (Nevi’im) we have the story of Isaiah seeing the LORD on His throne, the angels flying around the throne saying “Holy, holy, holy, is the LORD of hosts: the whole earth is full of his glory.”

Isaiah 6:1-5

There’s no mistaking this is God the angels are worshipping, when Isaiah understood who he stood in front of, he stated that he (Isaiah) was unclean a sinner. Why? Because anyone standing before the Holy God (Muhammad included) realises they’re impure in comparison. Hence the reaction of Peter in the Gospel of Luke.

Luke 5:1-8

Peter and his brother Andrew were fishing, Jesus knowing all things gave instructions to put the net down into the water. The same way Isa (Jesus) knows everything you’ve eaten and have in your homes, Isa also created life from clay; this is found in Surah Ali ‘Imran 3:49.

The Arabic says “How do I create for you from clay the likeness of a bird, then I blow into it and it becomes a bird” (أَنِّىٓ أَخْلُقُ لَكُم مِّنَ ٱلطِّينِ كَهَيْـَٔةِ ٱلطَّيْرِ فَأَنفُخُ فِيهِ فَيَكُونُ طَيْرًۢا), it wasn’t Allah that created the bird because Isa says “I create.” Muslims will point out that Allah gave him the ability to do this, which means Allah made Jesus God, thank you very much!

Back to Luke 5:1-8, Peter mentioned they’ve been trying to catch fish all night and found none, he listened to Christ and did what He said.

It was at that time they caught so many fishes the net broke and they asked others to help them pull the fish into the boat, there were so many fish the boat began to sink. It was at this point Simon realised who was standing in front of him and said “Depart from me; for I am a sinful man, O Lord” echoing the vision Isaiah saw of God.

Another passage is when Jesus was in the temple healing and doing miracles, the people came to question Him after the Father answered Him from heaven. They asked how can Christ abide forever, and inquired as to who is the Son of Man? The Lord Jesus tells us that He is the Light, the text tells us that even though Jesus has done many miracles before their eyes they still don’t believe. And Isaiah (Ἠσαΐας) is then quoted extensively.

John 12:37-41

This is why the disciples worshipped (προσεκύνησαν (Aorist Active Indicative)) Christ as God after He Walked on the Water (Matthew 14:22-33; Mark 6:45–52; John 6:15–21 ) and controlled nature itself more specifically the sea and wind proving He’s the God who controls all creation (Matthew 8:23–27; Mark 4:35-41; Luke 8:22–25 ).[7] This is spoken in the book of Psalms about how the LORD stills the raging sea. Christ said “peace be still” to the sea and the sea obeyed Him in Mark 4:39.

Psalm 89:8-9

While prostration can be an act of worship depending on the context and intention of the person, it is not necessarily the same thing as “worship”.

Response to a Christian Apologist: Was Jesus “Worshiped” in the Gospels?

Note what was said “While prostration can be an act of worship depending on the context and intention of the person”, now you see the hypocrisy how is it quranandBibleblog says the context dictates the intention. Yet if we say the same they will deny this. In Islam, it’s absolutely forbidden to worship anyone other than Allah, but their god commands the angels and Iblis to “prostrate” bringing confusion. And we know God is not the author of confusion (1 Corinthians 14:33), once again proving Allah is not god.

The worship of Adam in the Qur’ān was a result of Allah’s challenge to the angels, the angels asked “Will You place therein those who will make mischief therein and shed blood”, Allah then accused them of not being truthful.

Why would Allah command the angels to bow down to Adam, Allah is the first one to commit shirk. We can easily provide proof this was worship to Adam by taking (سُجود) and looking it up in the Arabic dictionary. I’ll provide 3 different Arabic dictionaries.

3 different Arabic dictionaries agree with us that (سُجود) prostration is also worship. We just busted these Abdools once again.

Our friends quoted 1 Chronicles 29:20 thinking this would be difficult to answer, king David’s lineage is the one in which the Messiah Jesus Christ would come. David is not being worshipped as God but he did receive civil reverence. When the Jews worshipped the LORD they did so with religious worship, as to the king they blessed king David in civil homage to the one who was God’s representative.

There’s also another fact we need to mention, the Torah’s text is older than the New Testament. The OT would be written in Aramaic and Hebrew, how many times have we heard Muslims say Jesus spoke Aramaic. Unfortunately for them, the same verse in the Aramaic of the ancient Peshitta text 1 Chronicles 29:20 doesn’t say “worshipped the LORD, and the king”.[8]

The Holy Bible from the Aramaic of the Peshitta

The following is the text from the Peshitta for 1 Chronicles 29:20 “Then David said to all the peo­ple of Israel, Now bless the Lord your God. And all the people blessed the Lord God of their fathers, and bowed down and worshipped the Lord, and they also blessed King David.[9]

Sorry, Abdools I know you thought you had something there but you don’t. This makes my point the more clearer, the Abdools don’t understand context as the Qur’ān doesn’t have context but is a big jumbled mess of a book. I mentioned in the previous article Was Jesus “Worshiped” in the Gospels? An unbeliever falling down and worshipping in the midst of a Christian Assembly (1 Corinthians 14:25). This person is not worshipping the Christians but he is worshipping God in the midst of Christians.

I can hear my friend say “that makes my point” Jesus was not worshipped! Not so fast muta’h boy, recall when I said Jesus is the Lamb of God (John 1:29; 1:36). Jesus as the Lamb of God is worshipped along with His Father, Jesus receives universal worship from all of creation. The writer John the Apostle exhaust all of creation saying “every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea.”

Revelation 5:13-14

This is a very troubling passage for Abdools, because Christ is receiving the worship due only to God. Muslims once again show their ignorance of how context is key in rendering Greek words and knowing how they’re interpreted. Falling into the error of taking glosses in the wrong way proves they don’t understand how Greek is used. They make the mistake of taking a Greek word and equating it to English.

[13– 14] “A cascading praise effect erupts, like dominoes falling, where the singing of one group ignites the responsive singing of another. Once the heavenly chorus finishes its choral response to the song of the cherubim and elders, the voices of every creature in creation rise up in yet another antiphonal reply. John appeals again to the three-tiered mythical construct of the cosmos (see the comment on 5:3) to make certain that his hearers and readers understand the universal range of his vision. He hears voices from every realm of the created order, and he hears them singing a song of praise both to God on the throne and to the Lamb. They are both due the blessing and honor and glory and power mentioned in 5:12. And they are due them forever. The hymn of 4:11 has explained the reason why the cherubim and elders believed God was worthy of such accolades: God is worthy because God created all things. In the hymn of 5:9– 10 the cherubim and elders explained the three reasons why the Lamb is worthy. Creation is now apparently affirming those declarations with a responsive chord of acclamation. Fittingly, the cherubim and elders finish both worship scenes by sealing those affirmations with a confirmation of their own. The cherubim cry out “Amen” (see the comment on 3:14) while the elders acknowledge the truth of the hymns by falling before the throne in worship.”[10]

The Church of Philadelphia and Hypothetical Worship

There seems to be a theme, once again quranandBibleblog gets it wrong again! The fact that they think the word proskyneō is “ambiguous” is because they take the word by itself ignoring the surrounding context (emphasis ours):

… the fact that proskyneō doesn’t have to mean “worship” in the sense of religious “worship” given to God alone! It is a much broader word. As stated in my original article, the word is ambiguous enough as to avoid assuming that it only means religious “worship”. …

Response to a Christian Apologist: Was Jesus “Worshiped” in the Gospels?

And he once again runs to 1 Chronicles 29:20 but we’ve already destroyed that argument, the text says they “worshipped the LORD” and “blessed king David” the Aramaic of the Peshitta. The Septuagint (LXX) is the Greek rendering of the Old Testament, let us not lose sight of the fact the OT was not written in Greek but in Hebrew/Aramaic. As for Revelation 5:13, the original language was written in Greek, therefore, the argument still stands.

As for Revelation 3:9 the Greek word (προσκυνήσωσιν) in the Textus Receptus against the word (προσκυνήσουσιν) in the Morphological GNT actually proves my case.

προσκυνήσωσιν vs. προσκυνήσουσιν: Both options yield the same translation, there’s no real difference between the two Greek words.

• SCR/BYZ: προσκυνήσωσιν the verb is part of the previous subjunctive purpose clause and
is translated as a future. This reading is dated around the 10th century.

• GNT: προσκυνήσουσιν is a future-tense form verb, that explains what Jesus Christ will compel them
to do. This reading is dated to the 4th century.

When Muslims perform their salah they “sujood” (prostration) in worshipping their false god, the two in Islam ALWAYS accompany each other.[11] This means when the angels prostrated to Adam they worshipped him according to Islamic prayer.

Nothing in Islam is spiritual because all Muslims have to pray at the same time, in the same way, face the same direction, speak in Arabic etc. This is NOT spiritual, Islam is ritualistic and thereby a legalistic religion as all false cults are.

In Christianity, we don’t practice legalism and can pray anytime and anywhere all that matters is that we’re praying from the heart. In the Bible people prayed in many ways face down, bowed down their heads, in bed, looking up to heaven etc.

Revelation 3:9 προσκυνήσωσιν is a subjunctive using a subordinate clause and the main verb determines the mood and expresses vividness. But notice that quranandBibleblog conveniently ignored the fact that I mentioned in the context of an unbeliever coming to an assembly of believers in 1 Corinthians and worships before the Christians.

1 Corinthians 14:23-25

Notice an unbeliever comes in and “he is convinced of all” and what happens next is he finally believes in God and the result is “the secrets of his heart made manifest; and so falling down on [his] face he will worship God”. This is happening in front of the Christians, this man is not worshipping the Christians, the same is true of Revelation 3:9 which the Abdools have no idea of because they lack reading the verses contextually.

Conclusion

Abdools are severely incompetent in understanding the context of verses, this is not surprising as their god Muhammad is the one who brings them confusion, they follow the “god of this world” also known as Satan [Q1:2], [2 Corinthians 4:3-4]. In love, we reach out to these people who are blinded by Satan so that they can see the glorious Light of the Lord Jesus Christ who offers all Abdools salvation. Muslims need to leave the darkness of Islam for theirs no hope in that false religion.

Christians are trapped in a false religion that teaches them to worship a human being as “God”.

Response to a Christian Apologist: Was Jesus “Worshiped” in the Gospels?

Here’s the hypocrisy, their god Allah is a man because he’s compared to a man called Dajjal. Allah and Dajjal look the same but the Muslims are told not to be confused because Allah has 2 eyes instead of just 1 like the Dajjal. You can read about it here in a previous article The Hadith says Dajjal is a man compared to Allah. All the talk about worshipping a human being is what the Muslims actually do.[12]

If Muslims don’t worship a man why according to the Hadith the Abdools could become confused between Allah and the Dajjal? It’s because the false Messiah Dajjal is being compared to Jesus the real Messiah (Isa the fake Jesus).

Christians believe God became a Man, not that man became God. Therefore, their god lacks the ability to become a man as he is powerless. How can anyone worship a god who needs a girlfriend to have a son, cannot become a man, can’t enter his creation and has to come down to the lowest heaven each night to hear the Muslim’s prayers? Allah is no more than a pagan idol that Abdools worship. We still love the Muslims and call them to the glorious Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ.[13]

Futher Reading

Q24:27 scribal error: A thorough analysis

Can We Trust the Koranic View of Jesus: A Debate

Is Jesus God? Does the Bible Say Jesus Is God?

Footnotes

[1] Merriam-Webster. (n.d.). Servant. In Merriam-Webster.com dictionary. Retrieved March 13, 2022, from https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/servant

[2] Merriam-Webster. (n.d.). Slave. In Merriam-Webster.com dictionary. Retrieved March 13, 2022, from https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/slave

[3] Wiki Diff [Blog post] Servant vs Slaves – What’s the difference? Retrieved from https://wikidiff.com/servant/slaves

[4] Differencebetween (2013, July 5) Difference Between Slave and Servant Retrieved from https://www.differencebetween.com/difference-between-slave-and-vs-servant/

[5] “Addressing those who had begun to believe in him (v. 30), Jesus exhorts them to remain or stand fast (Greek: menein; cf. 15:10) in his word in order to be truly liberated, for their incipient faith still has a long way to go. The truth that they will then know will make them free (v. 32). This truth consists in knowing God through Jesus (1:14; 4:23-24; 14:6) and has nothing to do with human or conceptual knowledge. Taking his statement literally, they retort that they have never been enslaved, conveniently forgetting the sojourn in Egypt and their current occupation by the Romans. But sin itself is slavery (Rom 6), and in order to be truly free, they need to be liberated by a son who abides or remains in God’s household (Rom 7).” New Collegeville Bible Commentary: New Testament, edited by Daniel Durken, Liturgical Press, 2009.

[6] Islamqa.com (2009, March 10) Learning English by Studying the Bible Retrieved from https://islamqa.info/en/answers/129175/learning-english-by-studying-the-bible

[7] “Such is the scene when Jesus appears walking toward them on the sea (v. 25), sometime between 3 a.m. and 6 a.m. (Greek: the fourth watch of the night, cf. NIV). As is typical in an epiphany (cf. 17:6-7; Isaiah 6:5; Luke 24:36-37), the first reaction of the disciples is one of fear or terror (v. 26). They assume that they are seeing an apparition. With Jesus’ words of assurance, however (v. 27), and with the quieting of the sea when Jesus enters the boat (v. 32), fear gives way to worship (v. 33; cf. 8:27). Once again we have a story full of allusions to OT texts and themes. Like the psalmist and others, the author depicts the sea and its turbulent waters as a place of chaos and destruction (cf. Genesis 1:2; Psalm 69:2; 74:13-14). There is a power greater than that of the sea, however, and Jesus clearly exhibits that power. When he appears walking on the sea, the picture is reminiscent of Yahweh walking on or through the sea at creation (Job 9:8; 38:16; Psalm 77:19) and making a route through the sea for Israel (Isaiah 43:16).” Gardner, R. B. (1991). Matthew (Ser. Believers church bible commentary). Herald Press. Retrieved March 16, 2022, Retrieved from https://www-ministrymatters-com.theoref.idm.oclc.org/library/#/bcbc/b08c35e9f5f24be6443986bfeda55497/matthew-111-1620-israel-responds-to-jesus.html

[8] 1 Chronicles 29:20. “David said to all the congregation, Now bless the Lord your God — Adore his divine majesty, and give him thanks for all his benefits, hereby testifying your concurrence with me in what I have done and spoken. And all the congregation blessed the Lord, &c. — They did as David desired, bowing down their heads in a gesture of adoration. Whoever is the mouth of the congregation to God, only those have the benefit of his ministrations who join with him, not so much by bowing down the head, as by lifting up the heart. And worshipped the Lord, and the king The Lord with religious, and the king with civil worship.” Benson Commentary on the Old and New Testaments (2017, January 16). How and when to reference. Retrieved from https://www.howandwhentoreference.com

[9] Lamsa, G. M. Old Testament Light: A Scriptural Commentary Based on the Aramaic of the Ancient Peshitta Text; Prentice-Hall: Englewood Cliffs, N.J, 1964.

[10] Blount, Brian K.. (2013, March 07) Revelation: A Commentary, Presbyterian Publishing Corporation, 2013. ProQuest Ebook Central

[11] wikihow.com (2022, January 17) How to Pray in Islam Retrieved from https://www.wikihow.com/Pray-in-Islam

[12] Narrated Ubadah ibn as-Samit: The Prophet (ﷺ) said: I have told you so much about the Dajjal (Antichrist) that I am afraid you may not understand. The Antichrist is short, hen-toed, woolly-haired, one-eyed, an eye-sightless, and neither protruding nor deep-seated. If you are confused about him, know that your Lord is not one-eyed. Abu Dawud said: ‘Amr bin Al-Aswad was appointed a judge. Grade: Sahih (Al-Albani) Sunan Abi Dawud 4320 Sunnah.com Chapter: The appearance of the Dajjal Retrieved from https://sunnah.com/abudawud:4320

[13] “Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve: After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep. After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles. And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time.” biblegateway.com 1 Corinthians 15:1-8. Retrieved from https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Corinthians+15%3A1-8&version=KJV

Response The Sinless Savior: Why the Biblical Jesus Was Sinless

Abdools claim that Jesus is not sinless, by doing so deny their retarded book Qur’ān as their own book says Jesus is Holy. It’s wonderful Muhammadans are rejecting Qur’ān through their lack of understanding their own beliefs. We could choose to end the article here as it already refutes the entire article from quranandBibleblog titled: The Sinful Savior: Why the Biblical Jesus Was Not “Sinless”

The 5 Abdools at quranandBibleblog are so desperate to go against Christianity they toss their own Qur’ān in the garbage proving Muhammad is a false prophet and Allah a false god.

In Isaiah 53:11 we have αναφερω for bearing sins, but αιρω properly means to lift up and carry away [John 2:16].[1] Muslims would agree that only God could take away sins, and I want to thank them for opening with this verse which refutes their entire article.

In Sunan Abi Dawud 3092 it says Allah removes the sins of Muslims for his illness. This alone proves Jesus is God, the power of God displayed in fullness as Christ has the power to take away sins.

When the Muta’h gang tries to prove that Christ was anything but sinless they undermine their own Qur’ān, the scribes also made this grave mistake. In Mark 2:1-12 the story of the healed paralytic says Christ came to Capernaum many people gathered to hear him preach the word to them. A group brought a person sick of the palsy, there were so many people it was hard for them to get close to Christ. But they persevered going onto the roof of the house and lowering the man into the house before the Lord Jesus.

When Jesus saw their faith He said unto the man sick of the palsy “Son, thy sins be forgiven thee.” Jesus directly forgave the man of his sins something only God can do. The scribes made a profound statement saying “Why doth this man thus speak blasphemies? who can forgive sins but God only?”

This is the same statement made by Muslims when they claim Christians commit shirk by worshipping Jesus Christ. Muslims believe Jesus performed miracles such as creating life when he made birds, healing the blind, raising the dead etc. Jesus in the Qur’ān can even tell you what you eat and knows what’s in your house.

Here’s the hypocrisy of Muslims, on the very article which we’re refuting today on quranandBibleblog a muta’h boy named mr.heathcliff made this comment, proving he doesn’t know his Qur’ān, he said:

how about the story about jesus touching the leper? jesus clearly breaks the law by touching leprous person and telling him to keep the healing a secret. Why would he tell the man to keep it a secret about the touching and healing? Did jesus realise that his act of touching broke the law? … Jesus knew up front that he was touching a leper. Law broke. Furthermore, he attempted to keep it a secret. Law broke. And the text goes on to tell us that Jesus was punished by being banished from the town. Why? Because he broke the Law.

The Sinful Savior: Why the Biblical Jesus Was Not “Sinless”

He then quotes Leviticus 13:45-46 which speaks about the uncleanness of leprosy, but wait, if you read Qur’ān 3:49 it clearly says Jesus (Isa) healed the lepers. Therefore, Isa broke the law according to mr.heathcliff because it’s in the Qur’ān. It gets worse! It was by Allah’s leave or permission! So Allah broke his own law by mr.heathcliff’s standard.

Let’s educate the Abdools, according to Qur’ān Allah gave Jesus the power to create which makes Jesus another Creator besides Allah by Allah’s leave [23:12-14]. This means in the Qur’ān Jesus is God having the same power as Allah. If anyone touched a person who had leprosy they would be infected with leprosy as well. Jesus Christ as God, leprosy has no effect on Him, in-fact anyone who touched Jesus their disease of leprosy was immediately be cured. Only God has this power.

Ibn Kathir agrees that Isa created life by making birds from clay as Allah gave him the power to do so making him God. Kathir also says Isa healed lepers “a known disease.”

Thank you mr.heathcliff for proving Jesus is God, you’re helping more people to leave Islam.

Destroying private property and committing animal abuse? – Matthew 8:28–34 (Q71:25, Sahih al-Bukhari 5590)

This is an interesting story. On the one hand, Jesus’ power as an exorcist was displayed when he forced a group of demons, called “Legion” (Mark 5:9), to stop oppressing two men. On the other hand, he then let the demons possess a herd of pigs, without asking for permission from the owner. As a result, the pigs were possessed and drowned in a lake. Thus, the Biblical Jesus committed two sins: the destruction of property and cruelty to animals. There is no indication that Jesus compensated the owner of the pigs (he must have been a Gentile), a violation of Exodus 22, which requires compensation for the theft and deaths of animals, though of course, the law did not include pigs since Jews could not own such animals.

The Sinful Savior: Why the Biblical Jesus Was Not “Sinless”

In their feeble attempt at discrediting the Bible, they chose another passage proving Christ Jesus is the Almighty God. Jesus heals two demon-possessed men.

Only God can do what Jesus Christ did, it was the finger of God which-casted out those demons [Luke 11:20]. Notice Abdools are more concerned with material possessions instead of caring for humanity placing humans on the same level as animals. That’s no surprise as according to Muslims Allah said Jews were made into monkeys [al-Baqarah 2:65-66].

According to Sahih al-Bukhari 5590 Allah will destroy them letting mountains fall on them, and transform the rest of the people into monkeys and pigs, so why are Muslims so worried about the pigs mentioned in Matthew 8? According to Islam pigs are unclean animals, way are the Muslims getting their panties in a bunch? Looks like pork is halal for the sons of muta’h.

Jesus Christ actually helped the man to not be possessed, while Allah sinned turning Jews into apes the Arabic text reads (فَقُلْنَا لَهُمْ كُونُوا۟ قِرَدَةً خَـٰسِـِٔينَ). Allah allowed his prophet Muhammad to be bewitched and possessed as Muhammad said he has a jinn which commands him to do good, this contradicts the Qur’ān in Surah Al-Falaq which is supposed to be a protection against magic (those who practise secret arts). Yet Muhammad was bewitched and had a jinn and poisoned which proves Allah is powerless and cannot protect Muhammad.

The potatoes said in referring to Jesus “the destruction of property and cruelty to animals”, was this the case?

“Strangely enough Jesus granted their request. But why should the Sovereign Lord accede to the request of demons? To understand His action, we must remember two facts. First, demons shun the disembodied state; they want to indwell human beings, or, if that is not possible, animals or other creatures. Secondly, the purpose of demons is without exception to destroy. If Jesus had simply cast them out of the maniacs, the demons would have been a menace to the other people of the area. By allowing them to go into the swine, He prevented their entering men and women and confined their destructive power to animals. It was not yet time for their final destruction by the Lord. As soon as the transfer took place, the swine ran violently down the steep place into the sea and drowned. This incident demonstrates that the ultimate aim of demons is to destroy, and underlines the terrifying possibility that two men can be indwelt by the number of demons it takes to destroy two thousand swine (Mark 5:13)”[2]

William MacDonald Believer’s Bible Commentary Second Edition (Thomas Nelson, 2016), p. 1147

Jesus Christ protected the people from the demons, not only are humans above animals we’re told in the book of Genesis that man was given the rule over all animals, to do whatever he deemed necessary “Dress it and to keep it.”

If the muta’h boys are claiming that “the destruction of property and cruelty to animals”, is sin in their eyes then what about their god Allah? Was he responsible of “the destruction of property and cruelty to animals” in the flood [Sura 71]?

Allah destroyed property and animals all over the world which means according to quranandBibleblog Allah destroyed private property and committed animal abuse, those are their words. There’s no indication Allah compensated the people for their loss yet Muslims try to blame Jesus Christ for helping those who were possessed by demons, Allah was not helping anyone.

Ibn Kathir in his Tafsir explains that Allah drowned the people and made them enter the fire because drowning them was not enough for Allah. What a bunch of hypocrites!

Kathir says Allah destroyed them from the face of the earth, Allah even destroyed Nuh’s (Noah) biological son, what kind of sadistic pagan god do Muslims worship?

Disrespecting his mother? – John 2:1–5 (Muhammad called his pagan parent najas نجس)

Muslims are choosing verses which prove, Jesus is God, in the twisted corrupt mind of Muhammadans they believe Jesus disrespected his mother, that means they contradicted the Qur’ān which says Jesus is a righteous son [19:19]. On the contrary, Mary in the Bible had faith knowing Christ was fully capable of performing miracles. Asking Him to turn the water into wine, did Jesus refuse and not perform the miracle? No! In fact, He honoured His mother and did as she asked.

The tomato boys think because Jesus said “Woman, what have I to do with thee?” means He somehow “disrespected” her, they are showing their amazing ignorance. First, Christ came with one purpose that was to make certain He accomplished what He was sent to do, and that was to save sinners. This was the purpose for Him to do things in secret, not because He was hiding something shameful. Because if all the people would have taken Him and made Him King at that time “they would not have crucified the Lord of glory”[3]

Second, Christ called His mother-woman, as He is her Creator and is addressing her as such.[4] Mary understood this and uttered these wonderful words “Whatsoever he saith unto you, do it.” Something Muslims don’t do as Islam is an antichrist religion from Satan himself.

Unfortunately for Muhammadan the parents of their prophet are polythiest, and called najas (نجس) in Qur’ān. The word najas (نجس) translated means impure, unclean, defiled, filthy, abomination, impurity etc. If Muslims don’t believe me all they need to do is open an Arabic dictionary and see for themselves.

Here’s the hard facts, Muhammad (who’s real name is Qathem) according to Muslims was born in Mecca in the year of the Elephant (570 AD). He proclaimed his mission at the age of 40 (610 AD), therefore, when he was 40 years old, it’s not possible his parents were Muslims because they were already dead.

Additionally, Muhammad didn’t know who his father was as he died 4 years BEFORE Muhammad’s birth. The Islamic story is that Muhammad’s father was Abdullah. The question is how can Muhammad’s birth come 4 years after his father’s death? The answer is that in reality he was not his father, in-fact his mother slept with groups of men. Before in Islam there was something called Zawaj Al Rahe’t which really means group “marriage” but really is sex.

The woman in this case the prophet’s mother would sleep with multiple men 5, 7, 12 or more it makes no difference. This sex practice was accepted by the Arab society, the mother after given birth then choose the father from among those men she slept with. The real name of his (Muhammad’s) father was Abd Allat, meaning slave of Allat (1 of the 3 daughters of Allah the pagan deity found in Surah An-Najm 53:19-21).

Muhammad’s mother had many children, she didn’t only bear Muhammad. If she was only with Muhammad’s father how did she give birth to so many children? In Imam Al Suoty the Al Kasa’s Al-Kubra V1 p. 132-135 his mother said: I was pregnant with him, and it was the easiest one of my pregnancies.

Sahih Muslim 203 someone asked Muhammad where is his father? And Muhammad replied that his father is in Fire (hell), Muhammad concludes his statement and says “my father and your father are in the Fire.” Muhammad admits his own father is in hell as his parents were unbelievers. Talk about disprespecting ones parents!

Sunan Ibn Majah 1572 Muhammad was weeping as he visited his mother’s grave, he then makes mention that he asked Allah permission to seek forgiveness for his mother, and Allah denies Muhammad.

It is not permissible to offer the funeral prayer for a polytheist, a disbeliever or a hypocrite who is guilty of major hypocrisy. If a person is aware of somebody’s hypocrisy or disbelief, it is prohibited for him to offer the funeral prayer for him or to pray for forgiveness for him after his death, regardless of whether or not he was a relative of his.

(Source: https://islamqa.info/en/answers/246744/it-is-not-permissible-to-offer-the-funeral-prayer-for-a-mushrik-who-committed-major-shirk)

Not only was his parents pagans considered filthy by Allah, Muhammad contradicts himself as his intercession for his mother was not accepted by Allah. Yet the prophet says that he’s “pre-eminent” and the “first intercessor and the first whose intercession will be accepted by Allah” and it was not accepted.

What kind of god doesn’t want a person to be saved? Allah has no love, therefore, he cannot be god, he definitely is not “the most merciful” how is that showing mercy if he doesn’t want all to be saved?

Muhammad was unable to do anything, as he prayed for his dead mother she was rotting in the grave, his prayer fell on deaf ears. But Jesus Christ was able to raise the dead [John 11:1, 11, 14, 43, 44] He was even able to raise Himself from the dead [John 2:19-22], and do many more miracles but Muhammad has no miracles.

According to al-Jalalayn pagans will not escape Allah and he will punish and humiliate them and sending them to the fire. Don’t forget Muhammad said his father is in the fire in Sahih Muslim 203 that’s because his parents died as pagans because they were worshipping idols.

According to [9:3] Allah is unforgiving and has no grace, instead he’s a sadistic god who gets off on punishing and dishing out painful torment to disbelievers, in reality this is Muhammad talking as Allah doesn’t exist. To contrast this verse the true God Yahweh says He’s “not willing that any should perish” [2 Peter 3:9], the problem is Muslims don’t want to be saved by Jesus, therefore, they have no hope of salvation.

Muhammad’s parents never became Muslim, they died as idolaters according to Allah, Muhammad and thier sunni donkey scholars al-Jalalayn unless they want to lie and say al-Jalalayn is a Christian now.

Lying to his brothers – John 7:1–10 Muhammad lying to his wives (Jami ‘at-Tirmidhi 1939)

The context of John 7:8 is that Jesus’ brothers don’t believe in Him, Jesus being God is fully aware of this. His brothers command that He go to the festival and openly saying “For there is no man that doeth any thing in secret, and he himself seeketh to be known openly. If thou do these things, shew thyself to the world.”

His brothers wanted Him to make a huge spectacle of Himself, but since they didn’t believe in Him their request was hypocritical as they were trying to make it seem as though they did believe. Besides it would also be prideful to blatantly make a show, this is what Satan wanted Jesus to do [Matthew 4:1–11].

Abdools in their quest to show that they “love Jesus” openly try to besmirch the name of Christ because they are following an antichrist. In the OT God would not go up with those who are committing sin. The LORD told Moses “I will not go up in the midst of thee; for thou art a stiffnecked people” [Exodus 33:1-3]. The same is true of Christ, since Jesus is God we can expect the same reaction to those who are not walking orderly.

In examining the text of this passage one might ask did Jesus lie as our Muslim friends contend. Greek scholar Bill Mounce weighs in giving insight to this passage stating “The more complete answer is supplied by the condition, “my time has not yet fully come.””[5]

Let us go with the abdools argument. If the word yet was not originally found in the mss and was inserted by a scribe that’s still not an issue and doesn’t make Jesus a liar, it’s what’s meant in the message John was conveying. It can also be elliptical language[6] used in John 7:8 the omission of certain words can still provide the necessary context to understand what’s going on in the passage.

His brothers say, to Jesus, you should go and make a public spectacle of yourself in front of your disciples and show everyone who you really are. 

John mentions, they didn’t really believe in Him. Jesus says, No, it isn’t time for me to do that, therefore, under those conditions, I’m not going. Jesus wanted to go with His identity concealed, and He couldn’t go with them as they intended to make a big exhibition of Himself. And that’s the reason why He didn’t go with them. But did so afterwards in secretly. Lastly, in v9 it says He stood in Galilee and we’re not told how much time elapsed, one thing we can understand He didn’t go immediately afterwards as the context shows.

Let’s see what the prophet of Islam taught, Jami` at-Tirmidhi 1939 Muhammad says it’s halal to lie in 3 cases (1) to your wife, (2) in war and (3) to bring peace between the people.

(Source: https://sunnah.com/tirmidhi:1939)

How evil is this?! Muslim men are taught to lie to their wives according to their prophet.[7] Additionally, how can lies bring peace at all, that means everything taught in Islam is a farce. If Muhammad teaches you can lie this makes sense because he obviously lied about everything creating his cult religion Islam.

Committing petty theft – Matthew 21:1–7 Muhammad stoled Women’s Underwear (Sunan Abi Dawud 3971)

(Source: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+21%3A1%E2%80%937&version=KJV)

Besides the absurdity of having Jesus sit on two donkeys (that would be very uncomfortable), the Gospel of Matthew indicates that Jesus sent his disciples to bring two donkeys from a village to him. These donkeys belonged to someone since they were tied. Jesus did not tell his disciples to find the owner and ask for his permission before taking the donkeys, but he did tell them what to say if someone saw them. They were to simply say “The Lord needs them”! Imagine if someone tried stealing your property and you caught them in the act, and their excuse was “God needs them”. Who would buy that excuse without any evidence?

The Sinful Savior: Why the Biblical Jesus Was Not “Sinless”

Notice how the black stone worshippers assume Jesus didn’t ask permission from the owner. If you read the text it says “any man” that includes the owner also, therefore, there’s no reason to assume Christ didn’t inform the owner. We’ll prove how easy it is to bust the abdools, in there desperation to try to slander (slander is from Satan) Christ and by doing so embarrass themselves.

In the Synoptic Gospels, we’re aware that the writers give an account of the same event, some highlight specific details more than another writer. The answer is found in the Gospel of Luke 19.

Luke 19:33 tells us that the owners asked them what are they doing and the disciples told them “The Lord hath need of him.” in the next verse. As mentioned we get the Abdools busted showing how silly their arguments are. This proves Jesus didn’t “commit petty theft” as quranandBibleblog mentioned. I wonder if they will admit they’re wrong and apologise for lying about Jesus Christ?

The one who committed petty theft is their prophet stealing women’s red underwear found in Sunan Abi Dawud 3971. What exactly did Muhammad want with women’s underwear?

(Sorce: https://sunnah.com/abudawud:3971)

The fact that Muhammad was a cross-dresser is very concerning, there’s proof of him being a homosexual[8] you can read about that here Was Muhammad a bisexual pervert? from their Islamic sources. Let’s not forget Muhammad plagiarized a multitude of passages from the Bible, Jesus Christ came and established Christianity 600 years before Islam. We’ll take a look at some of those passages Muhammad committed petty theft in a future article, Lord willing.

Conclusion

There you go another Abdool spanking, it’s getting embarrassing for the muta’h boys at quranandBibleblog. When it comes to comparing the Lord Jesus against the false prophet Muhammad, Christ will always be superior by leaps and bounds above Muhammad. Even the Islamic teaching is that Jesus is alive with Allah, while Muhammad rots in the grave.

We would like to thank our Muslim friends at quranandBibleblog for once again exposing Muhammad for being a destructive individual, disrespectful, liar and petty theft. Of course, we already knew he was all of this and more. We invite all Muslims to come to know Jesus Christ as their personal Lord and Saviour, the Lord Jesus is the only One who can save you and desires to do so because He loves you.

Abandon the false pagan religion of Islam as there is no hope for you in it, only Jesus Christ can give you everlasting life. May we pray for these lost souls that they come to faith in Christ for salvation.

References

[1] A. T. Robertson, Word Pictures in the New Testament (Christian Classics Ethereal Library, 2011), p. 1954.

[2] William MacDonald Believer’s Bible Commentary Second Edition (Thomas Nelson, 2016), p. 1147

[3] 1 Corinthians 2:8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known [it], they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+Corinthians+2%3A8&version=KJV

[4] “The reply of the Lord to His mother seems cold and distant. But it is not as strong a rebuke as would seem to us. The word woman used here is a title of respect, similar to the word “lady.” When the Lord asked, “Woman, what does your concern have to do with Me?” He indicated that in the performance of His divine mission, He was not subject to instructions from His mother, but acted entirely in obedience to the will of His Father in heaven. Mary wanted to see Jesus glorified, But He must remind her that the time for this had not yet come. Before He would appear to the world as the all-conquering Christ, He must first ascend the altar of sacrifice, and this He did at the cross of Calvary.” William MacDonald Believer’s Bible Commentary Second Edition (Thomas Nelson, 2016), p. 1429-1430

[5] This is certainly what gave rise to the alternate reading, “I am not yet (οὔπω replacing οὐκ) going up.” The external evidence for οὔπω is actually quite strong (P66, 75, Vaticanus, but not Sinaiticus), but internally it is inconceivable that a scribe would have changed οὔπω to οὐκ and introduce the issue of Jesus’ honesty. οὐκ is preferred in all major translations (except the KJV following the MT). Notice also that the explicitly continuous translation “I am not going up” (ἀναβαίνω) favored by most translations at least paves the way for the reader to hear “not yet.” The more complete answer is supplied by the condition, “my time has not yet fully come.” As Carson argues, Jesus’ “itinerary is regulated by the Father” and hence the time is not yet right. But he would go when instructed to do so by his Father. – Bill Mounce (2022, November 29). Did Jesus Lie? (John 7:8) [Blog post] Retrieved from https://www.billmounce.com/monday-with-mounce/did-jesus-lie-john-7-8

[6] The beauty of elliptical language is not in the words a sentence contains, but in the words it does not. In English language prose and poetry, elliptical construction involves the omission of a word or words, while elliptical storytelling involves artfully obtuse language to dance around certain subjects. To understand what an elliptical construction looks like, just look at the first sentence of this paragraph. Its second clause omits use of the verb “contain,” but the verb is nonetheless implied by the first part of the sentence. This arguably makes the sentence more elegant than it would be with a second instance of “contain.” – MasterClass (2021, September 13). How to Write an Elliptical Sentence: Improve Your Writing Retrieved from https://www.masterclass.com/articles/how-to-write-an-elliptical-sentence

[7] Imam Ahmad (26731) narrated that Umm Kalthoom bint ‘Uqbah said: I never heard the Messenger of Allah grant a concession allowing any kind of lying except in three cases: a man who says something intending thereby to bring about reconciliation; a man who says something at the time of war; and a man talking to his wife or a woman talking to her husband. Classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in as-Saheehah, 545 – Islamqa.info (2012, May 5). Is it permissible to lie to kaafirs? Retrieved from https://islamqa.info/en/answers/175632/is-it-permissible-to-lie-to-kaafirs

[8] Islambag (2016, July 8). Was Muhammad a bisexual pervert? [Blog post] Retrieved from https://www.islamicbag.com/quran-hadith/mohammed/item/1706-en-mohammadbisexual

Tovia Singer Afraid to tell Muslims Jesus is Not The Messiah

Muslim: “Rabbi, as a Muslim, I value you knowledge and wisdom and consider you one of the greatest asset to all children of Ibrahim, the worshippers of ONE G-d. …I would not think that it was possible for a religious Muslim to praise a Jew, let alone, a Rabbi in such a high regards. That is the bridge that our sweet Rabbi has built and a million thanks to Youtube, the crowed on the bridge is ever increasing. Rabbi, Can’t thank you enough for your hard work.”

Muslim: “I honestly find it inspiring that Muslims and Jews can come together on the doctrine of the Unity of the Godhead in opposition to the logically absurd doctrine of the Trinity that Christian theologians developed long after Jesus was gone. If Judaism and Islam both increased while Christianity diminished, that would be fine by me.”

Muslim: “I’m muslim in Indonesia and I love Rabbi Tovia Singer.”

These are some comments from Muslims to Tovia Singer, why are Muslims in love with a Jewish Rabbi when Islam teaches hatred toward Jews? It’s simple both Judaism and Islam teach hate towards Jesus Christ and His followers.

Muslims are so desperate they are now turning to atheists like Bart Ehrman and now Tovia Singer, just as long as the individual is an enemy of Christianity the Muslims love them. They share a common hatred towards our Lord and Saviour. In this article, we’ll quickly expose both Islam and Judaism for the hypocrisy they share.

Tovia was asked the question “Is Jesus the Messiah” but he won’t answer because he knows that he (Tovia) rejects Jesus Christ as the Messiah which basically means Tovia Singer is saying Muhammad is a false prophet and the Qur’an is a false book. Because Islam teaches that Isa (Islamic Jesus) is the Messiah. The following verses from the Qur’an prove that Muslims in their hatred towards Christianity are rejecting their own Islamic beliefs just to attack Christians. Look at the hypocrisy.

Muslims have chosen to side with Tovia Singer who doesn’t think Jesus is the Messiah and thereby is calling Islam a false religion. He rejects Muhammad but as mentioned earlier Muslims are desperate to attack Christians and will side with non-Muslims as long as they are enemies of Christianity.

In Surah 3 verse 45 (Aali ‘Imran) speaks about the virgin birth of Isa (Jesus) the Qur’an says Mary was a virgin when she gave birth to Jesus, yet Tovia rejects this by saying the virgin birth is nothing new; that it’s been adopted from Greek Mythology.

Tovia says: “rituals like the mythical founder of Rome Romulus was said to be born of a virgin and God. Pythagoras the philosopher was said to be born of a virgin. Octavius Caesar Augustus the adopted son of Julius Caesar was said to have been was the son of God and then he was born. I mean this is Hercules was said to have been conceived by a relationship between Zeus and his mother so what happened is as Christianity was leaving Jerusalem and moving toward Athens it was adopting the ideas that had emerged from Greece rather than from Yeshuaian”.

This means Tovia is saying that Isa is not the Messiah and that the virgin birth which Muslims believe is nothing special because according to Singer it comes from Greek Mythology, which means Allah is wrong and Muhammad is a liar for bringing Qur’an which says Isa was born from a virgin and that he’s the Messiah. Yet Muslims are saying they love Tovia Singer.

As for Tovia Singer how can a Jew walk hand and hand with those who wish death to the Jews because of their Islamic beliefs? Here are verses from the Qur’an and Hadith which proves Muhammad hated the Jews. In Surah 9 ver 30 we read.

The Qur’an says that the Jews worship Ezra as the son of Allah, and that the Christians say the Messiah which is Jesus is the son of Allah. Then the verse goes on to say “Allah’s curse be on them”?! As a Jew how can Tovia take sides with Muslims whose own book curses the Jews?

I’m certain Tovia would deny this verse and in doing so is saying that Muhammad is a liar. Yet he would never admit to this because he’s a coward and wants money from Muslims as he knows it’s lucrative for him to be on the side of Muslims. But this is hypocrisy in the highest form. In the Hadith we have another hateful teaching towards the Jews and Christians.

Muhammad says in the above hadith which is Sahih (authentic) that he would expel all the Jews from the Arabian Peninsula. Tell me how can a Jew claim solidarity with Islam when it clearly teaches hatred towards Jews? The ignorance of Islam from Tovia Singer as well as his blind hatred shows he knows nothing, just because he’s against Christianity he willing to be in bed with Muslims even though their prophet hates Jews.

And the Muslims are either ignorant or lying when they say they love Tovia Singer. The hypocrisy from both sides is staggering. Muslims are willing to toss their beliefs under the bus in order to attack the Bible, but through it all Christians can stand firm on God’s word because we see how Satan is using these two against us. They will never be able to go against the Lord Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour.

Christadelphians “reject that the Holy Spirit is a person distinct from the Father” (4)

In this article we are going to prove that the Holy Spirit is indeed a Person distinct from the Father, contrary to the Christadelphian belief in which they reject the Personhood of the Spirit of God.

We reject the doctrine – that the Holy Spirit is a person distinct from the Father.

“God fills His creation. All of its activity is because of His wise and sustaining Spirit, the divine energy working out His gracious purpose. The Spirit is not a “separate” or “other” person. It is God’s own radiant power, ever outflowing from Him, by which His “everywhereness” is achieved. The Spirit is personal in that it is of God Himself: it is not personal in the sense of being some other person within the Godhead.” — christadelphia.org

The Christadelphians claim the Holy Spirit is not a Person, when the Lord Jesus was baptised we see something interesting. We have Christ in the water, the heavens were opened “the Spirit of God” came down upon Jesus and we have a voice from heaven saying “This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.” there’s no mistake that the voice from heaven was God the Father.

But we have a classic view of the Trinity in this passage (1) Jesus Christ in the water (2) The Holy Spirit coming down as a dove (3) A voice from heaven which is God the Father. 3 distinct Persons are involved in Matthew 3:16-17.

Matthew 3:16-17 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

The Christadephians would still reject this claiming this is not enough proof, ok let’s see if we have more evidence for the Personhood of the Holy Spirit? There are certain categories in which we can prove the Holy Spirit possesses Personhood.

Intelligence

The Holy Spirit shows the capability to know, think and understand, He searches all the deep things concerning God. The Holy Spirit is capable of knowing all the divine truth of the Godhead. This is a character trait of Personhood. Just as the Lord Jesus said that the Holy Spirit will teach us all things concerning Him (John 14:26).

1 Corinthians 2:10-11 But God hath revealed [them] unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God. For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

Emotion

He has emotional capacity to feel and love. The Holy Spirit is capable of feeling grief which is an emotional trait, only a Person can feel grieved.

Ephesians 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

How can “energy” be grieved? It cannot because energy doesn’t have a capacity to feel emotions. Only a Person has the ability to be grieved, and if they experience grief they can also experience the capacity to love as well.

Will

Lastly, He has the ability to decide and act according to His will. According to this verse in Corinthians the Holy Spirit distributes spiritual gifts as He wills. Thereby, this shows the Spirit of God through His actions of giving is a Person.

1 Corinthians 12:11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.

Conclusion

These 3 passages show the Holy Spirit is possesses the ability of intelligence, the capacity of emotion feeling love and grief, and He can also give gifts according to His will. This are characteristics only a Person can have. The Holy Spirit is not some “force”, “energy” or power emanating from God.

7 “Christian Truths” Pt. II According to WMSCOG Member

“I am not an expert or a teacher, but I have been taught and do believe what the Word says. … I will include the link below where you can find some more specific answers, … At World Mission Society Church of God, it is a global church that is rapidly being built more all over the world. We practice everything in the bible, … the biblical Zion where He has chosen to dwell in order to restore the truth that has been distorted and corrupted over the past 1,600 years (Psalms 132:13-14). You will not find another church that teaches Gods mysteries, because only God Himself can reveal them. This has nothing to do with pride or arrogance about being the “best/right” church and has everything to do with what God already prophesied (Isaiah 2:3).”

1) God is weeding out His children from Satan’s children (Matthew 13)

Matthew 13

It’s ironic that Matthew 13 is mentioned because it concerns the Gospel message, something the WMSCOG doesn’t teach. The chapter concerns the parable of the sower and the different soils and their reaction to the Gospel message. In the case of Raven I wonder which of these soils she identifies herself as and why?

2) Everything on earth that is made, is made to teach us what is in heaven. It is a copy and shadow, heaven is the reality and earth is the shadow. (Like the family system on earth, consisting of a dad, mom and children teaching us that we have a spiritual family) (Heb 8:5, Rom 1:10)

Hebrews 8:5 and Romans 1:10

Hebrews 8:5 Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, [that] thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount.

Romans 1:10 Making request, if by any means now at length I might have a prosperous journey by the will of God to come unto you.

Hebrews 8:5 Talks about a better ministry which is in Christ, how He is our Great High Priest serving as our Mediator. In that the Old Testament priest who served in the temple was not perfect it was inferior compared to Jesus Christ and His ministry as our Mediator (1 Timothy 2:5), that’s the context of Hebrews 8:5

Hebrews 8:5 Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, [that] thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount.

The best practice is reading not only the highlighted verse but also the surrounding text to get a clear view of what’s being taught. And we see it certainly doesn’t refer to a “family system on earth” as Raven suggest. Here’s the following verse:

Hebrews 8:6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

Notice these words “a more excellent ministry”, “mediator of a better covenant” and “better promises” this is what the context is speaking of, Jesus as the one who fulfills the role of our Mediator.

Romans 1:10 is talking about how Paul brought the message of the Gospel, he was talking to believers in Christ. Paul was thankful for the believers in Rome and prayed that he might visit them again in the near future and wanted his journey to be according to the will of God. That’s all the verse is speaking about.

3) The old covenant was written to teach us, all the stories are prophecy about us spiritually. We are living in the New testament times. Revelation isn’t the only book about us, the whole bible is. (Romans 15:4)

Romans 15:4

Romans 15:4 For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.

Romans 15:4 is an Old Testament reference found in the Psalms, while they were not written directly to us, they hold vital lessons for us. When we go through problems no matter what they might be the Scriptures teach us to remain steadfast in our faith, and they give us comfort. That we have nothing to fear because the LORD will hold us up.

Psalm 119:50 This [is] my comfort in my affliction: for thy word hath quickened me.

But not all of the Bible is prophecy, much of it is also historical, poetical and doctrinal. The WMSCOG looks to spiritualize the entire Bible and in doing so has convoluted the message and clear teaching of the scriptures.

4) God speaks in parables, that only He allows His chosen to read with correct understanding, it is spiritually sealed. That is why there are 850+ denominations because only God can interpret His own salvation work, human minds can only try/attempt to know and teach the gospel but do not succeed. This is why God had to come again in the flesh, to correct what was ruined so that we could know the way to have salvation. (Isaiah 2:3, Matt 13:10, Rev 5:1-4)

Isaiah 2:3, Matthew 13:10, Revelation 5:1-4

Isaiah 2:3 And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.

Matthew 13:10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?

Revelation 5:1-4 And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals. And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof? And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon. And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon.

The Lord Jesus spoke in parables for a purpose, it was the plan of God because if the Jews would have accepted Christ as the Messiah in the beginning they wouldn’t have crucified Him which was necessary for our salvation. The crucifixion had to happen, it was the infinite wisdom of God to save us through the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ. That’s why Jesus spoke in parables.

Raven mentions denominations. While I do not subscribe to denominations what she doesn’t understand is any denomination which believes in the primary essential truths is what determines if a person is a Christian, which are (1) the Trinity (Father, Son, The Holy Spirit) (2) Jesus is God (3) Salvation is by grace alone, through faith in Christ alone (4) Believers baptism. If any denomination denies any of the foundational truths then they are heretical.

Secondary beliefs does not determine if someone is Christian, some secondary beliefs are (1) how someone is baptised (full immersion in water backwards or forwards) (2) the role of women in the church (3) how corporate worship is to be conducted (4) shall one pastor lead or a plurality of elders.

5) Women are supposed to wear veils during worship, so she can worship God directly and correctly (cancelling out her “head”, which is man (world system is Christ, man and then woman) (1 Corinthians 11:3-9)

1 Corinthians 11:3-9

1 Corinthians 11:3-9 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman [is] the man; and the head of Christ [is] God. Every man praying or prophesying, having [his] head covered, dishonoureth his head. But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with [her] head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven. For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered. For a man indeed ought not to cover [his] head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man. For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man. Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.

The covering for woman is for a few reasons (1) Headship in the order of creation, man (Adam) was created first then woman (Eve). (2) Because of the angels “For this cause ought the woman to have power on [her] head because of the angels.” (1 Corinthians 11:10). (3) This is to be done during corporate worship, men pray uncovered and woman are to be covered.

The veil is not how women can directly worship God, women just like men can worship God directly through Christ, “the veil of the temple was rent in twain” giving all believers direct access to God (Matthew 27:51; Mark 15:38; Luke 23:45).

In the book of Hebrews we’re told how Christ paved the way for us to approach God (Hebrews 6:19). And we now have boldness when coming into the presence of God because Jesus Christ made the way for us through His blood.

Hebrews 4:16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

Hebrews 10:19-20 Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus, By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;

6) New covenant does not mean we stop doing everything God commanded, the law was established through the old covenant, we still keep it even in this time of 2020, just in a different way (not animal sacrifices etc.) (Matt 5:17, Matt 19:17)

Matthew 5:17, 19:17

Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

Matthew 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? [there is] none good but one, [that is], God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

Raven believes that because Christ said He came to fulfil the Law that we also must follow the Old Covenant, I’m wondering if she knows that the Bible says the Old Covenant is waxed old and vanishing away?

Hebrews 8:13 In that he saith, A new [covenant], he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old [is] ready to vanish away.

Why anyone would want to remain in the Old Covenant that’s old and vanishing away makes no sense whatsoever.

7) Tuesdays (Third day) and Saturdays (Sabbath) are the days God has appointed to cleanse our souls (Numbers 19:12, Exodus 19:15)

Numbers 19:12, Exodus 19:15

Numbers 19:12 He shall purify himself with it on the third day, and on the seventh day he shall be clean: but if he purify not himself the third day, then the seventh day he shall not be clean.

Exodus 19:15 And he said unto the people, Be ready against the third day: come not at [your] wives.

The ignorance of WMSCOG is that they don’t understand why Christians worship on Sunday. Immediately after Jesus victoriously rose from the dead, some Jewish converts were confused about certain practices such as circumcision, which day of worship to observe, and whether or not to observe the Jewish feasts. These issues were addressed by Paul in Colossians 2:14-17 and Galatians 5:6. Paul enters the Jewish synagogue on the Sabbath in order to preach the Gospel to the Jews (Acts 17:2, 18:4) and afterwards gathers with believers on Sunday (Acts 20:7).

Acts 20:7 And upon the first [day] of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.

Remember Saturday is not the first day of the week, it’s the 7th day of the week, but here we see on the first day of the week which is Sunday; the disciples came together.

It’s ver unfortunate that people like Raven and others are being mislead into thinking they are capable of keep the Law. We are not perfect and the reason why God gave the Law ultimately was to show us how incapable we are to keep it. The Old Testament Law is called a schoolmaster in the book of Galatians and Paul tells us what was the purpose of the schoolmaster.

Galatians 3:24-25 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster [to bring us] unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

The purpose of the Law was to show us how sinful we are so that we would run to Jesus Christ for salvation, it’s through our faith in Christ that we are justified and made right with God. It’s not by keeping certain days like the Sabbath.

Lastly, notice how Raven says “I am sorry if you are one of those people who have experienced church and it be a nightmare for you, or something unholy happened that broke your trust and faith.”

We should never judge God by what a group of men have done, we always look to God Himself to see who He is, there are people out there who claim to love God and would do a person wrong. But that’s man who messed up not God. The WMSCOG claims to be the “true church” they are not the only cult which claims this. Here are a few quotes from some other cults.

Notice the similarities between the WMSCOG and these other cults which claim their church is the only true church.

Watchtower Quotes (Jehovah Witnesses)

Jehovah Witnesses claim any group outside of their own are considered “False religions”, and the only way to understand the Bible is through them.

“False religious propaganda from any source should be avoided like poison! Really, since our Lord has used “the faithful and discreet slave” to convey to us “sayings of everlasting life,” why should we ever want to look anywhere else?” Watchtower 1987 Nov 1 p.20

“We cannot hope to acquire a good relationship with Jehovah if we ignore those whom Jesus has appointed to care for his belongings. Without the assistance of “the faithful and discreet slave,” we would neither understand the full import of what we read in God’s Word nor know how to apply it.” Watchtower 2010 Sept 15 p. 8-9

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints Quotes (Mormons)

“It is our firm conviction that The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is, as the revelations state, “the only true and living church upon the face of the whole earth.”” The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints

“Because of this declaration of the Lord, we refer to this, His Church—our Church—as the “only true Church.”” The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints

“So what does it mean that The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is the only true Church? Three features—(1) fulness of doctrine, (2) power of the priesthood, and (3) testimony of Jesus Christ—explain why God has declared and why we as His servants maintain that this is the only true and living Church upon the face of the whole earth.” The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints

World Mission Society Church of God Quotes

“However, even though many churches keep Sunday, God’s true day of worship cannot be changed to Sunday—the day to worship the sun. God’s commandments must not be changed by man for any reason.” WATV.Org

“God came to this earth according to the prophecies of the Bible, and revealed the truth hidden in darkness to the whole world and let us know the true day of worship we should observe. The Sabbath that the Church of God keeps holy on Saturday, the seventh day, is the pure truth of the early Church which Christ restored at His second coming.” WATV.Org

Conclusion

If you remember what Raven said she mentioned “You will not find another church that teaches Gods mysteries” in other words in her mind only the WMSCOG alone is the “truth”. No. Only Jesus Christ alone is the Truth (John 14:6) and I hope that Raven and other WMSCOG members will come to know this for themselves, it’s not about a church; it’s about a Person and that’s Jesus Christ.

If you’re a current WMSCOG member this is not an article written to be a personal attack against you, but a wake up call. A call to you to be “noble and search the scriptures daily whether those things were so” (Acts 17:11), just like the Bereans we also need to dig into the scriptures and “prove all things” (1 Thessalonians 5:21).

Salvation is not found in WMSCOG or any other group, Eternal Life is only found in Jesus Christ. We must be sure that we are following the real Jesus Christ of the Bible, Jesus said that their will be many false Christ (Matthew 24:23-28; Mark 13:21-23). The WMSCOG preaches a false Christ but it’s up to you to look into the scriptures and sift through the evidence, I hope for your own sake that you’ll put your feelings to the side and see if these things are true.

A good source for learning more about the erroneous teachings of the WMSCOG from ex-members some of which were leaders in the group. Is a channel called Great Light Studios run by a believer named Jordan, he has current and ex-members come on and discuss teachings from the WMSCOG. Feel free to check them out.

7 “Christian Truths” Pt. l According to WMSCOG Member

The World Mission Society Church of God originated in South Korea and it’s led by a woman in her mid-70s, also known as Jang Gil-ja, Zhang Gil-jah, Chang Gil-jah, “heavenly mother”, “god the mother”, “New Jerusalem mother”, and “mother Jerusalem”. Created by Ahnsahnghong, who’s believed to be her late husband, and it’s also claimed that he was the second coming of Christ, along with Jang Gil-ja are together known as “Elohim God”.

If Ahnsahnghong was the 2nd coming of Jesus Christ, yet Ahnsahnghong died February 25, 1985 then how can WMSCOG explain this verse in the Bible which says Jesus only died once and cannot die again?

Romans 6:9-10 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him. For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.

Raven’s Revelations wrote an article titled “7 Christian Truths Pt. l“. I was curious to learn how WMSCOG members interpreted scripture, and test these beliefs to see if they actually aligned with the scriptures.

“I want to keep my “preaching/sharing” to a minimum when it comes to online. However, since people skim through here and this is a Christian (Spiritual) blog, I believe it’s best to incorporate some things here and there. It is not to argue or become controversial, it is just sharing knowledge. Not my own, but God’s.”Raven’s Revelations

The preface is that what’s shared is not her Raven’s knowledge. … but God’s. We’re told it’s God’s knowledge, she also says “I am not an expert or a teacher, but I have been taught and do believe what the Word says”. Raven admits to not being an expert or teacher but she’s been taught, does this means the WMSCOG alone has “the truth”?

She mentions “Even though next to these truths there will be referenced bible verses, it doesn’t mean you will fully understand where the truth came from through that verse…but it’s a start to plant the seed.” Raven is implying she has special insight (revelation) to the meaning of these verses, this truly lives up to the name of her blog.

Lastly, like all the rest she directs you to the WMSCOG website at the bottom of her page. Members are taught that WMSCOG alone knows the Bible. And unless you’re part of their church then you cannot have salvation, this is the mindset groups like this produce.

1) “We have a Heavenly Father, but also a Heavenly Mother. (There is a male a female image of God). We come from a complete family (Gen 1:26-27, Gal 4:26, Rev 19:7 & 22:17)”

As humans we need a male and female to produce offspring, but not so with God, He’s not subject to the laws of creation, God doesn’t procreate (produce offspring sexually) which is a blasphemous thing to insinuate. The WMSCOG interpolates this idea into the Bible by saying believers are children of God, hence, therefore there must be a Father and mother.

This is simply not true, we are children of God because the LORD has given us His Holy Spirit (1 Thessalonians 4:8).

Genesis 1:26-27

Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

All Christians believe the Godhead, the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are the one God spoken of in Deuteronomy 6:4. Nowhere is “god the mother” mentioned, when Christ sent the disciples He said “Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:” Matthew 28:19, this would have been a perfect time to mention “god the mother” but He didn’t.

Galatians 4

The WMSCOG frequently quotes Galatians 4:26 illustrating the existence of “god the mother”. Galatians mentions a “Jerusalem above“ that is spoken to be the “mother” of believers in Christ. So, what exactly does this imply? The premise of the context in Galatians is speaking of Faith VS Works, there’s no reason to suppose this passage teaches a “mother god”?

WMSCOG misinterprets the context of the passage, Paul never mentions a “god the mother”, the context is addressing the fact that believers are free in Christ. Paul says this was an allegory to convey a particular message (Galatians 4:24). Paul takes us back into the Torah concerning the dispute between Sarah and Hagar.

Galatians 4:24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.

Paul makes a distinction between 2 covenants namely the Torah (The Law) and the New Testament the grace of God. In Genesis 21 were reminded of Abraham’s sons Ishmael and Isaac. Ishmael was born from Hagar the bondwoman and Isaac was born from the free woman Abraham’s wife Sarah.

Hagar (slave) represented the Old Testament Law and Sarah a free woman the New Testament how we are made free, with that ground work laid we can see what the passage in Galatians says. The next verse says that the children of Hagar (Agar) are in bondage with her, also mount Sinai is identified with Hagar as that’s where God gave the Law to Moses.

Galatians 4:25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.

The verse also says these children of Hagar answer to Jerusalem, back in Genesis Hagar was under the authority of Sarah, Abraham’s wife. Abraham is told by Sarah to have a child with Hagar because Sarah cannot have children due to her barren womb. Abraham shouldn’t have done this as God promised him s son from Sarah. After Hagar give birth to Ishmael to Sarah’s amazement she finds herself pregnant and gives birth to Isaac.

When Ishmael mocked Isaac Sarah told Abraham to send away Hagar and Ishmael for he will never be heir with Isaac (Genesis 21:9-10). When Paul refers to Jerusalem as “our mother,” he’s not referring to a 2nd deity referred to as “god the mother.” The Jerusalem mentioned above is the “new covenant” of righteousness through faith, Paul’s encouraging believers to remember they are not children under the old covenant = “Hagar”, but rather under the new covenant = “Sarah”. In Gal 4 Sarah is paralleled with the “Jerusalem above,” and so Sarah herself is another symbol or representation of faith. Hagar is also used as a symbol of “works.”

All individuals who pursue righteousness through deeds, according to Paul, are Hagar’s children. This poses a huge problem for WMSCOG doctrine, if WMSCOG desires to interpret Sarah’s and Jerusalem’s symbolism as a teaching about a “god the mother,” they must also take into account the reality that Hagar is a “mother” also. If Sarah is a representation of “god the mother,” then Hagar must be a representation of another god. This concept is problematic for WMSCOG doctrine.

Revelation 19:7 & 22:17

Raven mentions Rev 19:7 & 22:17 as proof “there is a male a female image of God” this passage is called the Marriage of the Lamb, the Lamb being Jesus Christ (John 1:29; 1:36; Rev 5:6). If WMSCOG claims that if Rev 19:7 is speaking of the wife of the Lamb, are they then stating that Jesus’ wife is His own mother?

Revelation 22:17 mentions the bride again if this verse is speaking about “god the mother” then is Jesus marrying His mother? Obviously, these claims are ridiculous and I would hope that members of WMSCOG are not claiming this.

Revelation 22:17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.

“We may wonder if 2,000 years ago, Jesus Christ ever taught about God the Mother. He did. Jesus Christ explained through the parable of the Wedding Banquet that God the Mother would appear in our time. He starts the parable by comparing the Kingdom of Heaven to a wedding banquet.” — WMSCOG

They then quote a verse in Matthew to substantiate their position. “‘The kingdom of heaven is like a king who prepared a wedding banquet for his son.’”Matthew 22:2

Again are they saying Jesus Christ married “god the mother” by quoting Matthew 22:2 it says a wedding banquet for his son

Both Revelation 19:7 and 22:17 is speaking about the Lord Jesus being married to the collective body of believers (saints) in Christ, also known as the bride of Christ.

Revelation 19:7-8 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready. And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.

2) Passover is the way to eternal life and it is once a year (communion and other ceremonies is a mimicking of that, that does not provide eternal life.) (John 6:53-54, Matthew 26:26-28, Leviticus 23:4)

WMSCOG teaches that we must “keep the passover” for eternal life. This couldn’t be further from the truth literally. Concerning eternal life Jesus said:

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Only through Jesus Christ can a person receive eternal life, keeping the passover was given to the children of Israel in the Old Testament only for that dispensation which is contain in the Law of Moses. God never intended for anyone to earn everlasting life by keeping the Law, in the book of Romans and Galatians we read that no one will be justified by the Law (Romans 3:20; Galatians 3:11).

John 6:53-54

John 6:53-54 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you. Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.

The disciples ate the bread and drank the wine, but they did not literally eat and drink Jesus’ flesh and blood. The Lord Jesus simply expressed that we would never be saved unless we apply the value of His dying for us on Calvary via faith. We must believe in Him and trust Him as our personal Savior.

Matthew 26:26-28

Matthew 26:26-28 And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed [it], and brake [it], and gave [it] to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body. And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave [it] to them, saying, Drink ye all of it; For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

The Saviour instituted the Lord’s Supper, the essential emblems (bread and wine) were on the table as part of the Paschal meal; the Lord Jesus taught them the meaning. He took the bread, blessed and broke it. He gave it to the disciples and said “take, eat, this is My body” His body had not yet been given on the cross, it’s clear that He was speaking figuratively using the bread to symbolize His body not literally.

Leviticus 23:4

Leviticus 23:4 These [are] the feasts of the LORD, [even] holy convocations, which ye shall proclaim in their seasons.

The Passover commemorated Israel’s redemption from their bondage in Egypt. The Passover lamb was type of Christ, the Lamb of God our passover (1 Corinthians 5:7). The Lord Jesus’ blood was shed to redeem us from slavery to our sins. Additionally, the Pharisees

3) The Sabbath (day of rest) is Saturday, not Sunday or whenever we want (it was moved by Satan through Roman Emperor Constantine after the last Apostle John died). (Leviticus 23:3, Luke 6)

WMSCOG doesn’t understand that while the Sabbath is Saturday, Christians worship Christ everyday but the reason why we come together on Sunday (Lord’s day) is because Christ rose from the dead on Sunday.

Matthew 28:1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first [day] of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.

Mark 16:1-2 And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the [mother] of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him. And very early in the morning the first [day] of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun.

Luke 24:1 Now upon the first [day] of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain [others] with them.

John 20:1 The first [day] of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.

The WMSCOG are not reading verses in their immediate context that’s how these groups suck people into their false teachings. It’s nothing new there were false teachers in the day’s of Jesus and the apostles we should expect them even today.

Leviticus 23:3

Leviticus 23:3 Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day [is] the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work [therein]: it [is] the sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings.

The early church came together on the 1st day of the week (Sunday) for the Breaking of Bread found in Acts. A new dispensation was brought in as the believers now gathered on Sunday after the Lord Jesus was risen from the dead.

Acts 20:7 And upon the first [day] of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.

Luke 6

Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath, the Pharisees had questioned the Lord Jesus because His disciples picked corn on the sabbath day when they were hungry. They asked: “Behold, why do they on the sabbath day that which is not lawful?” (Mark 2:24). Jesus seeing their hypocrisy answered saying:

Mark 2:25-28 And he said unto them, Have ye never read what David did, when he had need, and was an hungred, he, and they that were with him? How he went into the house of God in the days of Abiathar the high priest, and did eat the shewbread, which is not lawful to eat but for the priests, and gave also to them which were with him? And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath: Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

God in the Old Testament allowed king David to eat the showbread which was unlawful, but at the time king David was not reigning yet, the Lord Jesus being the King of kings had His disciples eat corn and the Pharisees didn’t show any compassion towards them. One of the great commandments in the law is to “love your neighbour as thyself” (Matthew 22:34-39; Mark 12:28–34; Luke 10:25–28 ).

4) Christmas, St. Patrick, St. Valentines, Thanksgiving and other man-made holidays are pagan and most have the underlying worship of gods (Sun god Mithra mostly) (Daniel 7:25).

Daniel 7:25

Daniel 7:25 And he shall speak [great] words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

Raven’s Revelations talks about holidays as being pagan and then misuses Daniel 7:25 to make her point. The problem is that this verse has nothing to do with holidays, this verse is speaking of the anti-christ which would come in the future.

Paul addressed this issue in the book of Romans, one person may regard or esteem a day while another believer doesn’t.

Romans 14:5-8 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day [alike]. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. He that regardeth the day, regardeth [it] unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard [it]. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks. For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself. For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord’s.

This argument about holidays is a moot point because there are Christians who don’t celebrate and there are those who do, the important critical issue are not if someone celebrates Christmas. The important issue is who do they believe Jesus Christ is and what the Bible teaches in terms of the foundational truths of the Christian faith.

5) We are on earth because we sinned in heaven and the way to go back to heaven is to repent. We don’t remember anything because we were cut off from the 4th dimension and put on the prisoners’ outfit (our flesh). Where we can no longer fly, or be immortal. (Revelation 12:9, Job 38:4 & 21) Satan was the one to deceive us in heaven and is the reason we are all here on earth, everyone on earth was once an angel and God casted him and us down to earth instead of hell because of His mercy and love. The story of Adam and Eve is about us.

None of the 66 books of the Bible state that humans existed and “we sinned in heaven”, mankind came into existence after the 1st man and woman were created by God in the garden. Humans do not come from angels, how do we know this? Christ became Man, He took onto Himself human nature not angels, we read about this in Philippians and Hebrews.

Philippians 2:5-8 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

Hebrews 2:16 For verily he took not on [him the nature of] angels; but he took on [him] the seed of Abraham.

The fist chapter of Hebrews tells us no angel was called God’s Son (Hebrews 1:5). Therefore, we can conclude that Jesus Christ being a Man never took on the nature of angels. Christ became one of us in order to bear our sins in His body.

Revelation 12:9

Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Revelation 12:9 is speaking of Satan and those angels which rebelled against God and were cast out of heaven. This has nothing to do with Adam or the human race which came from the 1st man and woman.

Raven’s argument is that “we sinned in heaven and the way to go back to heaven is to repent”, by quoting Revelation 12:9 she’s saying humans were cast out of heaven along with Satan. If she wants to take that stance then there couldn’t be any salvation for us if this verse is talking about mankind. Satan is forever condemned along with those who followed him, unless she’s willing to say Satan can be saved?

When reading verses they must be placed in their context and harmonize with all of the Bible. Satan and his followers are eternally condemned and cannot be saved, therefore, this verse in Revelation cannot be referring to mankind.

Job 38:4 & 21

Job 38:4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.

The book of Job uses poetic language and in Job 38:4 God is asking Job a rhetorical question, God asked “Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth?” In other words Job was not there when God laid the foundations of the earth. How can Raven reconcile this if humans were angels and immortal? God disagrees with her and is saying, you were not there when He created the earth.

Job 38:21 Knowest thou [it], because thou wast then born? or [because] the number of thy days [is] great?

The same is true with Job 38:21, reading the chapter you’ll realise that God is questioning Job and proving that Job is a created creature and God is the Creator. Just as the potter and the clay, the clay cannot ask the potter why did you make me like this (Isaiah 29:16; Isaiah 45:9; Romans 9:20)?

6) In the last days (which we are in) God is coming back in the flesh with a new name FIRST, before He comes in fire to judge the world (rapture is not biblical, but a theory)(Hebrews 9:27-28, Rev 3:11-12)

Hebrews 9:27-28

Hebrews 9:27-28 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

Verses 9:27-28 contrast between the 2 Covenants, the Torah (the Law) and the New Covenant which Jesus Christ Himself made possible by His sacrifice. The Law condemned sinners to death “And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:”, the New Covenant introduces the infinite sacrifice of Christ to atone for our sins “Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many”.

The Rapture known in Greek as the harpazō ἁρπαγησόμεθα “shall be caught up” is biblical. In 1 Thessalonians 4:17 Paul says to the believers in Thessalonica told the believers that the Lord Himself will descend from heaven, and call believers to meet Him in the air. This is the harpazō (Rapture) which is also known as a violent snatching away.

1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive [and] remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive [and] remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

Paul reminds us that all believers who are in Christ, those who are asleep (the grave) and alive before the Rapture, will be caught or snatched up into the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. This is not something unusual to scripture. Paul was caught up into paradise in 2 Corinthians chapter 12.

2 Corinthians 12:4 How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.

The same Greek word harpazō ἁρπαγησόμεθα is used here as well.

Revelation 3:11-12

Revelation 3:11-12 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown. Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, [which is] new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and [I will write upon him] my new name.

Revelation 3:11-12 talks of Christ’s coming and that believers are to remain steadfast, and not to allow anyone to rob them of their crown. Believers will be made overcomers and made a pillar in the inner sanctuary of the LORD. Believers will given a name by the Lord and this Jerusalem is the city which will come down out of heaven, this is not referring to a person called “mother god” but a city “and the name of the city of my God”.

7) Satan runs this entire world, although God is king, the world is Satan’s playground only for a certain amount of time. Satan wants to deceive as many people as he can, even through church and priests, in order to bring as many people to where he is headed when this is all said and done. (John 12:31, 2 Corinthians 4:4)

It’s true that Satan “runs this entire world” but God is only allowing it for a certain duration of time. The important issue is are you in Christ that’s the only place anyone will be safe from the deception of Satan. And WMSCOG is being used by Satan to deceive many people into believing a false gospel.

John 12:31

John 12:31 Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.

The world was judged when they crucified the Lord of Glory Jesus Christ (1 Corinthians 2:8), likewise the prince of this world Satan was defeated at Calvary. He tried to stop Christ but instead the Lord Jesus provided a way for all guilty sinners to be reconciled to God through the death burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of sins.

2 Corinthians 4:4

2 Corinthians 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Satan here is called the god of this age, he’s been very successful in keeping people blind to the truth of the Gospel. Keeping them in darkness and away from the the light of the Gospel and the Light of Christ who is the Light of the world (John 8:12; John 9:5). Satan places barriers making it harder for men and women to come to Christ for salvation, cults like the WMSCOG preaches a works based salvation which clearly contradicts Ephesians 2:8-10. Salvation is apart from works (Romans 4:6; Psalm 32:2; Philippians 3:9)

Conclusion

I commend the fact that she (Raven’s Revelations) has a love to want to know God, that’s a wonderful thing. What’s sad is seeing her love and zeal for wanting to know God has lead her astray by a cult. The Bible speaks about this in the book of 2 Timothy, it tells us to beware of false teachers.

2 Timothy 3:5-7 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

I would highly suggest that if Raven really wants to know what the Bible teaches then she needs to step back from the WMSCOG and read the Bible on her own. I don’t know how long she’s been involved with this group but others who came out of it said the longer you stay in the harder it is to learn the Bible properly, because of all the false teachings you have to unlearn. My prayers goes out ti individuals like these because they have been exploited even though she genuinely wants to know who God is.

World Mission Society Church of God teaches there’s a god The Mother?

The World Mission Society of God teaches its members there’s a “mother god” does the scriptures teach such a concept? Unfortunately, many men and women have been deceived into thinking there’s a “god the mother” it’s sad seeing post such as We become children of God Elohim (Father & Mother) once we have the same (Passover) blood then we can go to Heaven!

God is never referred to in the female tense then how are members from WMSCOG deceived into believing such a thing? Like all cults the WMSCOG twist scriptures to get their doctrines into the heads of many people who are lacking understanding of what the Bible teaches.

“Since the beginning of Christianity, we have been familiar with God our Father. We even call ourselves children of God. But why does the Bible say we are children of God? And why did Jesus Christ teach us to pray to God our Father? The existence of a father naturally indicates there are children. Children can only have life if there is also a mother because it is the mother who gives birth. Christ showed us to pray to our Father in heaven because, as children of God, we also have God our Mother. And She is testified in the Bible from the beginning to the end.” — wmscog.com

This quote makes the fallacy of equivocation mistake. The logic used is because humans experience the makings of a family which consist of children who are born from a father and mother, therefore, it makes sense that God the Father would need a “mother god” in order to create. It’s a carnal way of thinking, the WMSCOG creates a humanistic God. They’re trying to reduce the Eternal God of the Bible bringing Him down to our human standard. On the WMSCOG site under “god the mother” they cite a few scriptures stating these are proof of “god the mother” under the heading God the Mother Exists they cite Romans 1:19-20.

Romans 1:19-20 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed [it] unto them. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, [even] his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

There’s no evidence proving any existence of “god the mother” in the above verses. The WMSCOG uses this to allude to their being a “god the mother” in saying it’s a “mystery”. The context of Romans 1:19-20 is speaking of unbelief and the consequences thereof. The unregenerate man looks at creation, he enjoys its sunsets, gazes at the stars, and realises the vastness of the sea. Then he begins to see himself in the true light and where does he fit in all of this? He contemplates how all of this came to be (Job 7:17; Job 15:14; Psalm 8:4; 144:3; Ecclesiastes 6:11; Hebrews 2:6)?

Romans 1:19-20 is telling us that mankind has no excuse when the time comes that we will stand before our Creator to give an account of all that we’ve done in this life. God has given us more than a sufficient amount of evidence for His existence. There will not be 1 Atheist who will appear before the Almighty God and claim that God didn’t reveal Himself to them, because the creation testify’s of the Creator (Psalm 19:1; 97:6).

Another verse they use to argue that the Bible teaches a “god the mother” is found in Genesis.

Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

All Christians believe in the Godhead, we believe in the Father, Son and Holy Spirit as the one God spoken of in Deuteronomy 6:4. Nowhere in the Bible is “god the mother” spoken of, when Christ told the disciples “Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:” wouldn’t this have been a perfect time to mention “god the mother”?

Yet, the Lord Jesus never mentions anything about any female deity, in Genesis 1:26 Elohim which is the plural Hebrew word for “gods”, it’s also a generic term used for even false gods. In Exodus 32 when the people asked Aaron to “make us gods” the word there is also Elohim. God in His infinite wisdom knew that He was to be distinguished from other “gods” which are not gods at all but idols.

This is the reason Moses asked God saying “Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What is his name? what shall I say unto them?” Moses knew that there were many “gods” the Bible speaks of Molech, Baal, Ashtoreth, Chemosh, the heathens often caused the children of Israel to worship false gods. God made sure we knew He alone is the True God telling Moses I AM THAT I AM (Exodus 3:14). The True God Yahweh wanted to be certain that He was recognisable as the true God among all the idols that littered the land.

If the WMSCOG cannot bring clear scriptures from the Bible to substantiate their claim, then we must reject this false idea of “god the mother” just because as humans we need a male and female to produce offspring. God is not subjected to the laws of creation, He doesn’t procreate which is a blasphemous thing to even insinuate by saying that since believers are children of God therefore there must be a Father and mother.

This is simply not true, we are children of God because the LORD has given us His Holy Spirit (1 Thessalonians 4:8). If you’ve found yourself part of WMSCOG I highly suggest that you leave and don’t come back, instead go to Jesus Christ for salvation. Jesus Christ is not God the Father, which is another erroneous teaching we will explore, He’s the Son of God who can save you from your sins. God bless.

Christian Vs Hebrew Israelites (Isa 13, 14, 44; Jer 27, 28; Dan 5; 1 Ch 9)

The Black Hebrew Israelites always claim that God is only concerned with Israel and not non-Israelites. They even go as far as to say the word Gentile refers to Israelites who somehow don’t know they are an Israelite and have been living in places in the Bible like Ethiopia, Phenice, Cyprus, Antioch, Seleucia etc. But the Bible is very clear in making distinctions between Israelites and Gentiles.

Passages such as Acts 11 after Peter preached the Gospel to Cornelius a Roman Centurion we’re told that God granted eternal life to the Gentiles in the same way He has given to the Israelites, shows a distinction these Gentiles are not Israelites who were living in these places. That’s not to say there weren’t Jews in other lands but God’s word keeps us from confusion in every occasion when it refers to Jews in another land we read words like synagogue and proceeding are indicators of what land Pisidia in the case of Acts 13:14.

The BHI will refer to Isaiah 14:1-2 and claim that Israelites are going to posses non-Israelites as slaves in the future. Is that what the Bible says, that Israelites will have non-Israelites as slaves or did this already take place? That’s what I’m going to demonstrate here.

Isaiah 14:1-2

Isaiah 14:1-2 For the LORD will have mercy on Jacob, and will yet choose Israel, and set them in their own land: and the strangers shall be joined with them, and they shall cleave to the house of Jacob. And the people shall take them, and bring them to their place: and the house of Israel shall possess them in the land of the LORD for servants and handmaids: and they shall take them captives, whose captives they were; and they shall rule over their oppressors.

This is the jumping off text the BHI use for their argument that they will be given slaves. If we read the verse in isolation it does seem to say that Israel will possess non-Israelites as servants, but we must ask the question is did this already take place?

In the Bible we’re told that Israel suffered 3 major captivities, Egypt, Assyrian and Babylonian. The previous chapter in the same book Isaiah gives us the context to Isaiah 14:1-2.

Isaiah 13:17-19

Isaiah 13:17-19 Behold, I will stir up the Medes against them, which shall not regard silver; and [as for] gold, they shall not delight in it. [Their] bows also shall dash the young men to pieces; and they shall have no pity on the fruit of the womb; their eye shall not spare children. And Babylon, the glory of kingdoms, the beauty of the Chaldees’ excellency, shall be as when God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah.

Isaiah 13:17-19 says that the LORD “will stir up the Medes against them”, who is “them” in this verse? If we continue on it tells us who the Medes are stirred up against “And Babylon, the glory of kingdoms,”. We learn that the Medes otherwise known as the Medo-Persia kingdom were stirred up against Babylon and that kingdom will be likened to when “God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah”. We’ll see how this comes together in the book of Daniel. Continuing on the prophet Jeremiah made a prophecy concerning the children of Israel going into captivity.

Jeremiah 27:6

Jeremiah 27:6 And now have I given all these lands into the hand of Nebuchadnezzar the king of Babylon, my servant; and the beasts of the field have I given him also to serve him.

Here we have the prophet Jeremiah telling us that the LORD gave the lands to “Nebuchadnezzar the king of Babylon”. Also, 2 verses down God says that any nation which rebels against God’s will which is that these nations would put themself under the yoke of the king of Babylon, and if they refused they would be punished. How will God punish them? The LORD says that nation will be punished “with the sword, and with the famine, and with the pestilence” until they have been consumed.

Remember king Nebuchadnezzar was a pagan Gentile who ruled over a Gentile nation called Babylon.

Jeremiah 28:13-14

Jeremiah 28:13-14 Go and tell Hananiah, saying, Thus saith the LORD; Thou hast broken the yokes of wood; but thou shalt make for them yokes of iron. For thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; I have put a yoke of iron upon the neck of all these nations, that they may serve Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon; and they shall serve him: and I have given him the beasts of the field also.

Hananiah makes a false prophecy saying the Babylonian captivity will only last for 2 years and the people rejected Jeremiah as he had told them previously the captivity would last for 70 years. Unfortunately, the people harkened to the false prophecy of Hananiah and suffered for it and Israel went into Babylonian captivity.

Daniel 5:25-31

Daniel 5:25-31 And this [is] the writing that was written, MENE, MENE, TEKEL, UPHARSIN. This [is] the interpretation of the thing: MENE; God hath numbered thy kingdom, and finished it. TEKEL; Thou art weighed in the balances, and art found wanting. PERES; Thy kingdom is divided, and given to the Medes and Persians. Then commanded Belshazzar, and they clothed Daniel with scarlet, and [put] a chain of gold about his neck, and made a proclamation concerning him, that he should be the third ruler in the kingdom. In that night was Belshazzar the king of the Chaldeans slain. And Darius the Median took the kingdom, [being] about threescore and two years old.

Daniel gives the account of what happened when Israel was in the land of Babylon, in chapter 5 Belshazzar a descendant of king Nebuchadnezzar made a feast. While they feasted Belshazzar commanded that they bring the golden and silver vessels of worship which were used in the temple by the priest of Israel. The golden and silver vessels were then defiled by Belshazzar as they poured wine into the cups and drank out of them, and while committing idolatry as they “praised the gods of gold, and of silver, of brass, of iron, of wood, and of stone”.

The finger of God writes on the wall “MENE, MENE, TEKEL, UPHARSIN” and in fear Belshazzar has his astrologers, Chaldeans, and soothsayers to interpret but were unable to interpret what was written on the wall. The queen tells him of Daniel, that he has a gift for interpreting dreams as he has done before for his father Nebuchadnezzar. Daniel is brought before the king and predicts doom for Babylon because of this abomination he committed in desecrating the the golden and silver vessels of the house of God.

Daniel tells Belshazzar his kingdom has come to an end and that the kingdom of Babylon is given to the Medes and Persians. Darius the Median took the kingdom and ruled Babylon once Belshazzar was slain that very night. This was a fulfillment of Isaiah 13:17-19 in which the LORD said He “will stir up the Medes against them” and overthrew them (Babylon) like Sodom and Gomorrah.

Isaiah 44:25-28

Isaiah 44:25-28 That frustrateth the tokens of the liars, and maketh diviners mad; that turneth wise [men] backward, and maketh their knowledge foolish; That confirmeth the word of his servant, and performeth the counsel of his messengers; that saith to Jerusalem, Thou shalt be inhabited; and to the cities of Judah, Ye shall be built, and I will raise up the decayed places thereof: That saith to the deep, Be dry, and I will dry up thy rivers: That saith of Cyrus, [He is] my shepherd, and shall perform all my pleasure: even saying to Jerusalem, Thou shalt be built; and to the temple, Thy foundation shall be laid.

Here’s where it all comes together after the 70 years of captivity king Cyrus a Gentile was raised up by the LORD as a shepherd and by a decree made by Cyrus, the Israelites were allowed to return to Jerusalem to rebuild the temple and city. Not all of Israel chose to return to Jerusalem, Daniel stood behind in Babylon as well as others, only a remnant went back to Jerusalem in order to rebuild the temple.

But not only Israelites returned to Jerusalem, Gentile nations, non-Israelites, would assist returning with them to live in the land. Israel’s former overlords would become bondservants to help in the rebuilding of the city and temple this is recorded for us in the books of Ezra and Nehemiah.

1 Chronicles 9:1

1 Chronicles 9:1 So all Israel were reckoned by genealogies; and, behold, they [were] written in the book of the kings of Israel and Judah, [who] were carried away to Babylon for their transgression.

The verse here in 1 Chronicles 9 tells us all Israel was “reckoned by genealogies”, those who returned came back in subsequent waves. Here in 1 Chronicles we’re told that “ the first inhabitants” were “the Israelites, the priests, Levites, and the Nethinims”. In Jerusalem we have “Judah, and of the children of Benjamin, and of the children of Ephraim, and Manasseh” which returned.

Here’s the knock out remember Israel would “possess” servants and handmaids, in Ezra 2 we’re given a long list of the rest of the people who returned but in verses 65 it says “Beside their servants and their maids”. and if we read further down to verse 70 it makes a clear distinction that these servants are Gentiles from the time when Cyrus back in Daniel gave the decree for the Israelites to return to their land and rebuild it.

Ezra 2:70 So the priests, and the Levites, and [some] of the people, and the singers, and the porters, and the Nethinims, dwelt in their cities, and all Israel in their cities.

And those particular servants and handmaids spoken of in Isaiah 14:1-2 at the beginning of this article are these Gentiles here in Ezra 2:65 who cleaved to the house of Israel and helped in rebuilding the temple and walls of Jerusalem. The BHI would try to argue that this is a future event but as we can see through the plain reading of the text this event has already taken place.

Conclusion

This is the deception of the BHI doctrine, they pull a verses out of context and run with it making an erroneous doctrine out of it claiming they will be able to own non-Israelite people as slaves in the kingdom. The BHI is a man made movement which started on 125th Street Harlem, otherwise known as 1West which is in reference to the address where the movement began.

It’s very unfortunate that there are many people who have been deceived into believing that God cares about a persons ethnicity. And if you’re not born in a specific ethnicity then you’re either part of His chosen people or and if not your condemned; this is obviously not the God of the Bible we serve. God is not concerned about what group of people you’re born into. What He does care about is if we’ve placed our faith in the Son of God Jesus Christ.

Next time we’ll take a look at the history of this cult and the different camps which came out of the BHI movement, until then stay in the word of God and be blessed in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ.

The Christadelphians Faith and Beliefs

The Christadelphians are a non-Christian restorationist group who hold the unbiblical view of unitarianism. They’re no different from Muslims in the sense that they believe God is a solitary one or monad. As oppose to the biblical Christian view that God is complex in His unity as one in being yet three distinct Persons who are of the one being of God.

The straw-man argument Christadelphians use as well as Muslims is that Christians believe in three gods. This cannot be more further from the truth, as Christians only believe in one God (Deuteronomy 6:4). The following are actual portions taken from their own website. I’ll provide biblical Christian responses to each segment.

The God of the Bible

“The Christadelphians believe that the God of the Bible is one, the Father alone (1 Corinthians 8:6). God stands alone and unrivaled in the universe, the source of all good and evil (Isaiah 45:5-7). We reject the idea that the devil is one of Gods’ angels that was permitted to rebel in the very heavens (thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven) and now wrestles with God for control of the world. We likewise reject the idea of a God with multiple independent personalities as not being in harmony with the teachings of scripture.”

In the Ketuvim (writings) the Psalmist in prayer to the LORD spoke of God as creating the heavens and earth, that He laid the foundation of the earth. The Psalmist David also says God is immutable which means that He never changes and will remain forever even though the heavens and earth will perish.

Psalm 102:1, 25-27 Hear my prayer, O LORD, and let my cry come unto thee. … Of old hast thou laid the foundation of the earth: and the heavens [are] the work of thy hands. They shall perish, but thou shalt endure: yea, all of them shall wax old like a garment; as a vesture shalt thou change them, and they shall be changed: But thou [art] the same, and thy years shall have no end.

The Christadelphians have a problem because they would have to answer for the fact that in Hebrews chapter one, the context is Jesus Christ better than the angels. Hebrews 1 echos Psalm 102 as the Father is speaking of the Son calling Him (Jesus Christ) God and tells us that Jesus Christ created the heavens and earth; and that Christ never changes and will remain forever.

Hebrews 1:8, 10-12 But unto the Son [he saith], Thy throne, O God, [is] for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness [is] the sceptre of thy kingdom. … And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands: They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment; And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail.

If God is a solitary one as they claim how do they explain that the LORD in Psalms 102 is the one who “laid the foundation of the earth: and the heavens [are] the work of thy hands” and then the writer of Hebrews 1 says Jesus Christ “laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:”?

Jesus is a Man, not God!

We believe that the Bible is quite clear in its presentation that Christ is a man. The Son of God, but certainly not God Himself. The bulk of mainstream Christianity has staked its life on the assertion that Jesus is God. However, this is to be rejected for the following inescapable reasons, and many more:”

1 “God is one. There can only be one true God. It is undeniable that Jesus referred to himself and the Father as separate. To fly in the face of this the most fundamental of Biblical teachings, in any way, is to venture out onto very thin ice.”

We agree there’s only one true God, the issue is they cannot comprehend how the Father and Christ Jesus can be God. They are both of the same essence, the same way if we take two humans the two are obviously distinct. They are two different persons, but does that mean they are not the same? It depends on how you look at it, because they are the same. Both individuals are human to their nature, therefore, they are the same.

The same is true of Jesus Christ, of course Jesus is going to call the Father the only true God because He is; but the Father along with Jesus Christ is the only true God because He’s of the same substance as the Father.

John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

Here’s John 17:3 in Greek the word θεὸν is referencing the Father, the Greek word καὶ conjoins θεὸν with Ἰησοῦν Χριστόν (Jesus Christ) as the one true God μόνον ἀληθινὸν

αὕτη δέ ἐστιν ἡ αἰώνιος ζωή ἵνα γινώσκωσιν σὲ τὸν μόνον ἀληθινὸν θεὸν καὶ ὃν ἀπέστειλας Ἰησοῦν Χριστόν

In Greek which is what the New Testament was written in uses the copulative kai which conjoins the two subjects in the verse. Namely the Father and Jesus Christ as being the only true God. This is why in 1 John the Lord Jesus is called the true God.

1 John 5:20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, [even] in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.

2 “Mortality and immortality are mutually exclusive characteristics. God is immortal, and cannot die. Jesus died. If you alter this, all Scripture is inexorably weakened.”

The Christadelphians make a Logical Fallacy claiming because Mortality and immortality are exclusive, hence since Jesus died, therefore, He cannot be God. If this is true then how do they explain how we as humans will die but yet our souls will live on eternally either in heaven or hell?

While they deny those who are not saved will end up in hell, how do they reconcile when Christ said they would go away to everlasting punishment found in Matthew 25.

Matthew 25:41-46 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did [it] not to one of the least of these, ye did [it] not to me. And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

The context of the above passage is Christ speaking of unfaithful servants, those who showed no compassion for his fellowman. As they failed as being faithful stewards, because they didn’t show any compassion for the needy they didn’t have any compassion for the Lord Himself. Hence they were cast into everlasting punishment.

3 “Jesus always very clearly pointed out his subservience to God; in power, teaching and life itself. To assert their equality is untenable.”

The Lord Jesus took the place of a servant (Philippians 2:7) thereby humbling Himself becoming a man (Philippians 2:8). He came not to be ministered unto but to serve (Matthew 20:28; Mark 10:45) so that He could give Himself as a ransom at the cross of Calvary. God became a Man according to Philippians 2:5-8.

Philippians 2:5-8 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

4 “Mortal humans cannot exist in the direct presence of God. As Exodus 33:20 says, no man can see God and live. Therefore, to say Jesus was fully God and fully man violates scripture, since thousands of people saw Jesus.”

It seems that Christadelphians don’t read the Bible, if God was not seen then how do they explain all the people in the Old Testament who saw God?

Abraham sat down and ate food with God in Genesis chapter 18, God appeared to Moses (Exodus 6:2-3), Jacob wrestled God seeing God face to face (Genesis 32:24-30).

Genesis 32:30 And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.

The Lord Jesus Christ unveiled His glory on the mount of transfiguration (Matthew 16:28—17:13; Luke 9:27–36; 2 Peter 1:16–18 ), Christ called Himself God Almighty (Revelation 1:8), lastly we have the account of one of Christ disciples (Thomas) calling Jesus God, if Jesus is not God this would have been the perfect moment that the Lord Jesus should have said He’s not God.

John 20:27-28 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust [it] into my side: and be not faithless, but believing. And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

As we read the Lord Jesus response to Thomas we’ll see that Jesus never rejected Thomas in calling Him God.

John 20:29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed [are] they that have not seen, and [yet] have believed.

In the Old Testament God said He would not share His glory with anyone (Isaiah 42:8; Isaiah 48:11), and then we see in the New Testament the Lord Jesus said He shared glory with God the Father before creation was made (John 17:5).

John 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

Conclusion

The Christadelphians cult is deceived into thinking that Jesus is only a man, just like Muslims claim. Christians have always believed Jesus Christ is a real Man, but He’s also God because He took unto Himself a human nature; this is called the Hypostatic Union. In addition to the 2 erroneous doctrines they hold to there are more, therefore, they cannot be saved as long as they keep these false teachings. We’ll touch upon those other teachings in a later article, Lord willing.

Religion of “Peace” Strikes again

Recently Muslims in Birmingham UK attacked Mufti Abu Layth another Muslim, they came to his house at night wearing mask as to conceal their identity and proceeded to toss stones through the windows. Screams coming from within the home were of his wife and 2 daughters ages 6 and 9. Who his 2 daughters were traumatized to the extent that they were hysterical and couldn’t sleep because of nightmares.

It was the result of Muhammad Hijab calling for action against Abu Layth in regards to the current fighting happening between Israel and Gaza Palestine. This is the true face of Islam, even Muslims cannot get along with one another to the point that they would target a man’s home and family. Unfortunately, this is what Islam teaches, Muslims are required to believe in the Quran but also the Hadith (the Sunnah of the “prophet”), Tafsir and Sira.

Just to get a little insight as to the horrific teachings of Islam we should look at how Muhammad conducted himself. As Islam is founded upon him. Here are some of Muhammad’s teachings from Islamic sources.

The Ruling on Apostates

Ibn ‘Abbas said:”The Messenger of Allah [SAW] said: ‘Whoever changes his religion, kill him.‘” — Sunan an-Nasa’i Hadith 94 Grade: Sahih

Ibn ‘Abbas (RAA) narrated that The Messenger of Allah said, “He who changes his religion (i.e. apostates) kill him.” Related by Al-Bukhari. — Hadith 1242

It was narrated from Anas that :’Ali came to some people of Az-Zutt, who worshipped idols, and burned them. Ibn ‘Abbas said: “But the Messenger of Allah [SAW] said: ‘Whoever changes his religion, kill him.'” — Sunan an-Nasa’i Hadith 100 Grade: Sahih

This is the religion of peace?

There’s no peace in Islam because they (Muslims) don’t have the Prince of Peace the Lord Jesus Christ (Isaiah 9:6). In addressing the disciples before His crucifixion the Lord Jesus told them He would give them peace.

John 14:27 Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.

Because Islam is without Jesus Christ they (Muslims) will never know peace until they come to Jesus Christ for salvation. As Christians we pray for all men that they would come to know Jesus Christ as their Lord and Saviour, and in this crazy time prayers go out to Mufti Abu Layth. May this be a huge awakening that he needs to leave the dark religion of Islam and embrace the Light of Jesus Christ for eternal life, as Christ is the Light of the world.

John 8:12 Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.

Matthew 5:44-45 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.

Also keep the people of Israel in prayer, that the fighting would cease and people do not get hurt. God Bless.

Dialoging with Black Hebrew Israelites

If you’re familiar with this group you’ll know that they claim to be the “true Hebrew Israelites”, perhaps you’ve seen them on the street corner yelling out random Bible verses mostly from the Old Testament. And if you listen closely at some point you’ll hear verses that aren’t so familiar, that’s because they are reading verses from the Apocrypha. At his point you might be wondering what is the Apocrypha?

Unfortunately, most Christians are unaware of the teachings from this cult because they aren’t interested in learning on how to defend their faith from these groups, and sadly there are people falling victim to this racist cult which is only concerned with the colour of their skin. It’s my intention to bring some light to the body of Christ. Black Hebrew Israelites use the books of the Apocrypha in conjunction with the Bible to prove that Blacks are the “real Jews”. They are especially well versed when it comes to the Old Testament scriptures and deceive people into thinking they are Israelites. The Lord Jesus Christ said:

Luke 21:8 And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am [Christ]; and the time draweth near: go ye not therefore after them.

The Apocrypha is comprised of the following books: 1 Esdras, 2 Esdras, Tobit, Judith, Additions to Esther, Wisdom of Solomon, Ecclesiasticus, Baruch, Letter of Jeremiah, Prayer of Azariah, Susanna, Bel and the Dragon, Prayer of Manasseh, 1 Maccabees, 2 Maccabees.

The word “Apocrypha” means “hidden, concealed, obscure” and the Black Hebrew Israelites believe these books are on the same level of inspired scripture, even though these books are not inspired scripture and riddled with contradicting doctrines such as necromancy, divination, witchcraft and sorcery. Clearly the Bible is against such teachings found in (Leviticus 19:31; 1 Samuel 28:10-20; Isaiah 8:19; Jeremiah 27:9; Malachi 3:5; Revelation 21:8; Revelation 22:15).

Let’s look at some of the teachings from the Apocrypha and how that contradicts the Word of God.

The Apocrypha Endorses Magic

Tobit 6:7-9 “Then the young man questioned the angel and said to him, ‘Brother Azariah, what medicinal value is there in the fish’s heart and liver, and in the gall?’ He replied, ‘As for the fish’s heart and liver, you must burn them to make a smoke in the presence of a man or woman afflicted by a demon or evil spirit, and every affliction will flee away and never remain with that person any longer. And as for the gall, anoint a person’s eyes where white films have appeared on them; blow upon them, upon the white films, and the eyes will be healed.’”

In Tobit we have a story which takes place in Ninevah, Tobit is wanted by the ruling authorities because of burying Jewish bodies (Tobit 1:17-19). Tobias (Tobit’s son) is to be married to a young woman named Sara. Tobit becomes blind from bird feces falling into his eyes (Tobit 2:10). Then an angel by the name of Raphael helps Tobit to concoct a magic spell to help heal his father’s eyes, as well as drive away a devil from his soon to be bride Sara.

Every child of God recognises that magic is an abomination to Yahweh and should not be practiced. In the OT God tells the nation of Israel in the book of Leviticus “Regard not them that have familiar spirits” if the children of Israel did they would “be defiled by them” (Leviticus 19:31). In the book of 2 Kings we have the account of Hezekiah’s son Manasseh king who did “evil in the sight of the LORD”, he brought back the idolatress high places of worship which his father Hezekiah had destroyed. It says that he “wrought much wickedness in the sight of the LORD, to provoke him to anger.” (2 Kings 21:6).

Praying for the dead

2 Maccabees 12:46 “It is therefore a holy and wholesome thought to pray for the dead, that they may be loosed from sins.”

The book of 2 Maccabees is a historical account the first book covers the Maccabean Revolt the book is dated to 100 BC. A Jewish elder by the name of Mattathias leads a campaign against Antiochus Epiphanes IV. The problem with this book is that it promotes prayers for the dead, this teaching meshes with the teachings of the Roman Catholic church promoting the concept of purgatory.

A teaching which is alien to scripture, additionally reading the verse again we see that 2 Maccabees 12:46 also teaches a person who is dead can be loosed from sins. The Bible never tells us that we can pray away someone’s sins, in-fact we see the opposite found in the book of Hebrews.

Hebrews 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

Once a person dies they are subjected to judgement, its this writers hope that the individual has Christ Jesus as their Lord and Saviour. Otherwise they will face God not as their Saviour but as their judge at the Great White Throne found in the book of Revelation.

Revelation 20:11-15 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is [the book] of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

The Apocrypha gives the false notion that a person can change their standing before God after death, this simply is not the case and therefore we must reject this as the word of God.

Views of the body and soul from a Neoplatonism perspective

Wisdom of Solomon 9:15 “A perishable body weighs down the soul, and this earthy tent burdens the thoughtful mind”

The Wisdom of Solomon 8:19-20 “As a child I was naturally gifted, and a good soul fell to my lot; or rather, being good, I entered an undefiled body”

Definition of Neoplatonism: Platonism modified in later antiquity to accord with Aristotelian, post-Aristotelian, and eastern conceptions that conceives of the world as an emanation from an ultimate indivisible being with whom the soul is capable of being reunited in trance or ecstasy.

The view found in The Wisdom of Solomon is that the soul preexisted before before the body came into existence. This cannot be true because our souls had a beginning we are not eternal, only after the soul was created will it live on forever in either of one of two places, heaven or hell.

The thought of a preexistent soul is a foreign concept neither found in the Old Testament or the New. When God created Adam He formed him out of the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils making him a living soul (Genesis 2:7). It was at that time that man became a living soul and not before, we are not an “emanation” from God as Neoplatonism teaches.

Salvation by works

Tobit 4:10 “Because that alms do deliver from death, and suffereth not to come into darkness.”

Tobit 12:9-10 “For almsgiving saves from death and purges away every sin. Those who give alms will enjoy a full life, but those who commit sin and do wrong are their own worst enemies”

In Tobit these two particular verses of giving alms teach a works based salvation by giving alms “Because that alms do deliver from death” (Tobit 4:10). This is in clear contradiction to what we know from the Scriptures.

The Bible clearly teaches that we are powerless to save ourselves from death or to purge away our sins. In Romans we’re told that the law cannot save us but shows us that we’re sinners.

Romans 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law [is] the knowledge of sin.

The Bible also says that the law was powerless to save us in Romans chapter 8, we read:

Romans 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

It’s only through the sinless Lamb of God that we can have our sins purged and we delivered from death through the second birth. This is what the Lord Jesus told Nicodemus in John 3:1-8. John the Baptist when he saw Christ exclaimed that it was through Him sins would be put away.

John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

Revelation 5:9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

Conclusion

As shown the Black Hebrew Israelites not only twist the scriptures to their own destruction (2 Peter 3:16) but they also incorporate erroneous books into their teaching and claim the Apocrypha is the word of God. This can’t be true as we know there are no contradictions in the Bible, therefore, we must reject the teachings of the Apocrypha and Black Hebrew Israelites.

We will continue to dive into other teachings from the different camps of the Black Hebrew Israelites, Lord willing, as their doctrines change from camp to camp. And it’s not my intention to use any straw-man arguments when identifying certain teachings, as I acknowledge that not all Black Hebrew Israelites have the same beliefs.

Answering Muslim Objections (6)

Muslim argument: The Injeel, Torah and Jabur are indeed sent by god. Unfortunately they have been corrupted. Jesus is God’s Son as the Christians believe. But how come you pray to Jesus when you’re the ones that claim Jesus to be God’s Son? God is totally overshadowed by Jesus. Jesus this, Jesus that. What role does God play in Christianity? Bible was a Hebrew book and all you came up with a Greek version of it. And Jesus is said to have died for your sins. So, you mean to tell me God killed his Son for the sins you committed? Why and how the killing of Jesus resolved you of your sins? And why was he sent to earth in the first place?

Response: they have been corrupted If the Bible is “corrupted” as Muslims claim why does the Quran direct Muslims to ask “the people of the book (Jews and Christians)” in Surah 10:94. How can Allah direct people to another group (Jews and Christians) to ask for guidance if the book they believe in is corrupted? That makes no sense! In saying the Bible is corrupted Muslims are attacking their Quran because the Torah and Injeel (Gospel) is “Allah’s words” according to the Quran.

Torah: And verily We gave unto Moses the Scripture … (Surah 2:87)

Psalms: … and as We imparted unto David the Psalms; (Surah 4:163)

Gospel: He hath revealed unto thee (Muhammad) the Scripture with truth, confirming that which was (revealed) before it, even as He revealed the Torah and the Gospel. (Surah 3:3)

And Allah says no one is able to “change” or “alter” his words (Surah 6:34; 6:115; 10:64). Therefore, we must come to the conclusion either the Quran is correct in saying the Bible cannot be corrupted which means Islam is false because it contradicts the Christian faith, or the Quran is wrong and the Bible was corrupted which means Islam is false because Muslims believe in a book which wrong.

how come you pray to Jesus Let’s look at this from a logical standpoint every individual has parents. For example a father and son. A father and son are the same in regards to nature? The son is just as much human as the father is human? Christian’s don’t believe Jesus Christ was born the same way we humans are, and we don’t believe Jesus was created because He’s eternal. We pray to Jesus because (1) Jesus is God and deserves our worship (Revelation 5:12). (2) He told us to ask Him anything in His name to pray in His name (John 14:13; 14:14; John 15:16; John 16:23-24; John 16:26). Prayer is communication, therefore, if we claim to have a relationship with Christ why wouldn’t we pray to Him? If you love someone then you will be willing to communicate with them. But a more direct response is we pray to the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

Bible was a Hebrew book and all you came up with a Greek version of it This statement proves the lack of understanding of how the Bible was composed. The New Testament is not a “Greek version” of the Old Testament which is written in Hebrew. Both the Old and New Testament agree to who God is as He revealed Himself in the Person of Jesus Christ. The Quran comes a lot later and then contradicts the Bible.

“And Jesus is said to have died for your sins. So, you mean to tell me God killed his Son for the sins you committed? Why and how the killing of Jesus resolved you of your sins?” Yes, Jesus died for my sins and the sins of the world (1 Corinthians 15:3; Galatians 1:4; 1 John 2:2). God sent His Son into the world (John 3:17; Galatians 4:4; 1 John 4:9) but God didn’t kill His Son, it was wicked men who put Christ on the cross (Matthew 17:22-23; Mark 9:31; Luke 9:44; Acts 2:22-24). The Lord Jesus was the perfect atonement for the sins of the world (Hebrews 9:13-14; Hebrews 10:1-4) just as we see in the Old Testament how God commanded the children of Israel to sacrifice animals for the sins of the nation of Israel as a temporary atonement for sins found in the book of Leviticus.

Muslim argument: That would mean since Jesus is God’s Son. So he is as much God as his Father is? Okay, understood. But God is totally overlooked in Christianity. Jesus is worshipped instead of God. I mean, did God retire? Is it monarchy? Let’s just say Jesus is God for argument’s sake. If he was indeed God then why didn’t he just forgive all of humanity without having Himself killed. And if it was indeed God’s plan to forgive humanity by killing off his Son, then were the killers of Jesus good people since they helped God in executing his plan?

Response: “So he is as much God as his Father is? Okay, understood. But God is totally overlooked in Christianity. Jesus is worshipped instead of God.” Christians worship God the Father, God the Son, and God the Hols Spirit. We believe in 1 God and only 1 God. The Bible says there’s only 1 God (Deuteronomy 6:4; Isaiah 44:8). If we as humans are just as much human as our father then Jesus Christ being the Son of God is just as much God as the Father is God. In the Bible we see a distinction between the Father, Son and Holy Spirit yet all 3 are called God.

And because Jesus is just as much God as His Father that would make Jesus God because He shares the same essence as the Father.

In Genesis 19 Abraham is visited by 3 men, 2 of them turn out to be angels which are sent to Sodom and Gomorrah. The 1 man who stays behind turns out to be God and He tells Abraham that Sarah his wife will have a son. Sarah was barren she was not able to bare children and laughed. The man then said “is there anything to hard for the LORD?” Later Sarah gives birth to Isaac. Later in the chapter it says that when God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah because it was a place of evil. The verse says the LORD rained down fire from the LORD in heaven.

Genesis 19:24 Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven;

Here we have 2 persons called LORD, 1 on the earth who is before Abraham, and 1 in heaven.

“If he was indeed god then why didn’t he just forgive all of humanity without having himself killed.” If Muslims are familiar with the Torah, we see that God commanded Israel to build an altar in order to do sacrifices. The reason why they had to do this was for the atonement of sin. It was a temporary atonement for sins, so they sacrificed animals in the temple for this reason. The issue is that as humans we are more valuable than animals because we are made in God’s image, animals are not. Therefore, the blood of animals couldn’t atone for anyone’s sins. In the OT it says a life for a life etc. Meaning if a man killed another man, he could be punished by his life being taken away. Life for life.

Exodus 21:23-25 And if [any] mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life, Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, Burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.

In the Quran we see Muhammad plagiarized this from the Bible and passing it off as his own teaching when it was not.

And We ordained for them therein a life for a life, an eye for an eye, a nose for a nose, an ear for an ear, a tooth for a tooth, and for wounds is legal retribution. But whoever gives [up his right as] charity, it is an expiation for him. And whoever does not judge by what Allah has revealed – then it is those who are the wrongdoers. — Surah 5:45

This is why there’s an issue animals do not have the same value as a human, so the blood of that animal cannot atone for sin. God’s purpose in telling Israel to do it was a constant reminder of their sins so that when the Perfect Man Jesus Christ came who is also God He would be the perfect sacrifice. He (Jesus) had the value beyond measure because He is without any sin, and because He’s God His blood would be powerful enough to atone for the sins of the entire world.

Also, the reason why God cannot forgive you without the death of Jesus is because if He did that would make God unjust. He must serve justice and destroy all evil in the end, therefore, God made a way out of the judgement by sending His Son to be a propitiation for the whole world (1 John 2:2).

Muslim argument: God is one. Yet you mentioned God the holy father, God the son and God the holy spirit. Who is bigger God here? What are the functions assigned to these three gods? The whole analogy is vague and invalid. God doesn’t have to answer to anyone for his actions. But He has to kill his Son because He is just?! That would mean killing an innocent for the actions of the criminals which I reckon are us. Also, if our sins are indeed forgiven then we don’t need Jesus or God for that matter. We are innocent and therefore we’ll take our seats in heaven after our death. God is just so He killed an innocent and spared the lives of the culprits!

Response: “You said God is one. Yet you mentioned God the holy father, God the son and God the holy spirit. Who is bigger God here? What are the functions assigned to these three gods?” There’s no such thing as a “bigger God” all 3 Persons are the 1 God, they are co-equal. Christians do not believe in 3 separate gods. We believe in 1 God.

“What are the functions assigned to these three gods?” The Father is in heaven, the Son comes into the word to redeem mankind, the Holy Spirit indwells believers thereby placing them in Christ making them spiritually alive (born again).

“But He has to kill his son because He is just?!!!!! That would mean killing an innocent for the actions of the criminals which I reckon are us.” God didn’t kill Jesus Christ, the Romans killed Him, but Jesus gave His life willingly Jesus said:

John 10:17-18 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again. No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

Jesus Christ was innocent and He gave His life for guilty sinners. Those who are saved willingly received the free gift of eternal life that we don’t deserve and cannot earn. If someone offers a gift it’s accepted freely you don’t have to pay for it. There’s no forgiveness of you sins without the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus. When a criminal commits a crime do you not agree that justice must be served?

The book of Isaiah written 740 BC speaks about the death of Jesus saying:

Isaiah 53:3-5 He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were [our] faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not. Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted. But he [was] wounded for our transgressions, [he was] bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace [was] upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

“We are innocent and therefore we’ll take our seats in heaven after our death.” No one is innocent, a lie, anger, using God’s name in vain, lust, these are all sins, therefore 1 sin is enough for a person to end up in hell for all eternity.

Muslim argument: Why didn’t God save his Son when wicked men kill him? And God could have pardoned all of humanity without the death of Jesus since He has no one to answer to. So, a bigger God divided into three different entities just to take up different roles? Jesus died for our sins but we are not forgiven! Then what He died for? Bible is the God sent scripture which tells us about Jesus. Without that we have no connection to him whatsoever. What did He do for me? He didn’t wipe out my sins. He didn’t wipe out the sins of our ancestors who lived during his time since it would mean helping the sinners and blasphemous people. Then why He died for? Do you see the irony?

Response: Why didn’t God save his Son when wicked men kill him? That would be called universalism and Islam teaches only Muslims will enter Jannah, therefore, to say why can’t God just forgive everyone goes against the what Islam teaches. Because God decided since eternity past that the Son of God would come into the world to redeem mankind (Revelation 13:8). It was God’s provision in sending the Lord Jesus Christ to be the Saviour of the world (John 4:42; 1 John 4:14).

God could have pardoned all of humanity without the death of Jesus No. Because if God arbitrarily forgave people that would make God unjust, God cannot do anything against His own character, He’s Holy, Righteous and Just. God must punish all sin and, therefore, He cannot turn a blind eye to sin (Isaiah 59:18; Romans 2:3-6; Revelation 22:12).

a bigger God divided into three different entities Here’s a straw-man argument, Christians do not believe God is “divided into three entities”. We believe God is 1 in Being and within that 1 being there are 3 Persons, God is complex in His unity from the beginning in Genesis we have a plurality when God says “Let us make”, “Let us go down there” (Genesis 1:26; Genesis 11:7). In the NT we have Jesus Christ forgiving sins (Mark 2:7; Luke 5:21), and we have scriptures which has all 3 Persons present at the same time (Matthew 3:16-17; Mark 1:9-11; Luke 3:21-22).

Jesus died for our sins but we are not forgiven! Then what He died for? We’re told in the Bible that Christ died for our sins to save us from the wrath of God. This is easily explained by apostle Paul in Corinthians.

1 Corinthians 15:3-4 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

In Galatians we also have this verse telling us what Christ did for us:

Galatians 1:4 Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:

Lastly, John the apostle also told us:

1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for [the sins of] the whole world.

Muslim argument: If someone commits the crime then that “someone” should be punished. The judge will not sentence the best man because his blood will purify him, in this case that is whole of the humanity. How is this even justice? Would it be justice if my brother says okay I will go hang for my brother because I love him very much? And will the judge punish an innocent man for the crime of another even though He wanted to face the sentence in exchange for the freedom for their loved ones?

Response: “if someone commits the crime then that “someone” should be punished.” Exactly! Someone has to be punished, God must dish out justice against all evil. What Muslims don’t understand is that Jesus Christ took the punishment we deserve upon Himself. Isaiah chapter 53 explains this. God can forgive the sinner on the righteous basis of what Christ has done and remain just and righteous because He sacrificed Himself and removed the wrath of God from those who place their trust in the real Jesus Christ who is God.

For example, picture the wrath of God as a truck speeding down a road. And someone was crossing the street but didn’t see the truck coming. A stranger runs and pushes them out of the way saving their life but instead he got hit by the truck. That’s what Jesus Christ did on the cross. He took the wrath of God on Himself, so that we didn’t have to be condemned.

As long as Muslims reject the Son of God, they can’t be saved because they’re rejecting God’s provision in the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of sins.

“And will the judge punish an innocent man for the crime of another even though he wanted to face the sentence in exchange for the freedom for their loved ones?” That’s exactly what happened! A family member who would risk even give their own life for those they love. That’s a picture of the amazing love of Christ, that He would sacrifice Himself for guilty sinners. What amazing love that the Father has bestowed upon those who would come into the Light of the Lord Jesus Christ!

Answering Muslim Objections (5)

More arguments from Muslims which proves they are sadly mistaken as to who Jesus Christ is, the Christian position is we believe Jesus Christ is eternal but He’s also a real Man through the virgin birth. He always existed eternally with the Father in heaven as the Word of God (John 1:1) and came down from heaven (John 3:13; John 6:38, 51, 58). Therefore the straw-man arguments Muslims bring as you’ll see below prove they don’t understand that Christ has 2 natures and we can explain both sides as Jesus Christ being the Son of God and Jesus Christ the Son of Man. [Muslim Statement] [Christian Response]

1. Christians say: “Jesus being born without a father proves he is God:” The first mistake is Christians don’t believe Jesus Christ is biologically born in the same sense as us humans are, we had a moment in which we started to exist but Jesus Christ always existed. Muslims falsely claim this as a “Christian belief” and putting it out as what they think we believe but get it completely wrong. Jesus is the Word of God and He always was with the Father before creation ever existed (John 1:1), the Word of God (Jesus) made/created all things (Genesis 1:1-3; Psalm 102:25; John 1:3; Colossians 1:16; Hebrews 1:10).

Hebrews 1:10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:

Here’s a preposterous statement from the Tafsir of Ibn Kathir: “(How can He have children when He has no wife) for the child is the offspring of two compatible spouses. Allah does not have an equal, none of His creatures are similar to Him, for He alone created the entire creation. Allah said;”

Muslims claim that Christians believe God would had sexual intercourse to produce a Son! This is complete blasphemy on Islam’s part and grossly wrong. A non-Christian cult like Mormons believes this but not Christians, and to further prove the point that Islam teaches this is found in in the Quran.

[He is] Originator of the heavens and the earth. How could He have a son when He does not have a companion and He created all things? And He is, of all things, Knowing. — Surah 6:101

1. Muslims say: “Adam was born without a father & mother does that make him God too?” Actually Adam was not “born” he was created from the dust of the earth (Genesis 2:7), this makes Adam a creation but Jesus Christ is the same God who formed Adam from the dust of the ground.

Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man [of] the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

2. Christians say: “Jesus is God” Amen! He is God the Lord Jesus said He was God in the book of Revelation calling Himself the Alpha and Omega the Almighty (Revelation 1:8). In Isaiah it says that Immanuel would come through the virgin birth (Isaiah 7:14) and this name means God is with us (Matthew 1:23). Where also told in Isaiah that the child born through the virgin birth is called God (Isaiah 9:6). So the prophets call the child God and Jesus Christ who is the child born through the virgin birth calls Himself God.

Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

2. Muslims say: “But Jesus made it very clear telling us to believe in only one God – If Jesus was God for sure he would of made it very clear by saying to the people me & God are your two Gods. Jesus, said “Hear, O Israel the Lord Our God, the Lord is one. (Mark 12:29-31)” Does a car have 1 door or more than 1, and if more than 1 door is it still 1 Car? The problem Muslims have is that they cannot grasp the concept that God is complex in His unity as demonstrated with the car analogy. The three Persons of the Godhead are of one essence that no one else shares that essence outside of God therefore all 3 Persons are the one God. Yet they are distinguishable from each other. The word Being is what you are, while the word Person is who you are they don’t have the same meaning.

3. Christians say: “Jesus is God” According to the Bible yes He is God (John 1:1-3; Titus 2:13; Hebrews 1:8; 1 John 5:20; Revelation 1:8).

3. Muslims say: “Jesus said why do you call me good?” “No one is good—except God alone (Luke 18:19)” It’s quite sad that Muslims use a verse like this and say Jesus was not claiming to be God and they accept that, even though that’s not what the verse is saying. Why is it they believe Luke 18:19 and say “Jesus is not calling Himself God”, but ignore other words from Jesus saying He is God like Revelation 1:8 calling Himself the Almighty? That’s called having a double standard. There’s not just one verse in the Bible but many, if you “accept” Luke 18:19 as Jesus claiming not to be God then by that same standard you must also accept Revelation 1:8 when Jesus says He is God.

4. Christians say: “Jesus is human & God” Correct Jesus Christ is both fully God and Man, it’s called the hypostatic union which refers to the two natures of Christ (Philippians 2:5-8; Colossians 2:8-10).

4. Muslims say: “But the Bible says God is not human (Numbers 23:19) Muslims partially quote the verse out of context, the entire verse says Numbers 23:19 God [is] not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do [it]? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good? As we can see God is not saying He’s cannot become a man, the verse is speaking of God’s character that He will never lie like man does.

5. Christians say: “Jesus is human & God” See response in #4

5. Muslims say: ”But the bible says For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, (1 Timothy 2:5)” Quoting the verses which highlight the humanity of Christ don’t refute the Christian position, Christians have always believed Jesus is both God and Man and we have verses which speak to both natures of Christ. As Mediator Christ fulfills this role as a real Man, in the Torah the position of high priest could only be held by a man of 30 years age or older. Jesus was a priest after the order of Melchizedek (Leviticus 8; Exodus 29; Numbers 4; Psalm 110:4; Hebrews 5:6). Oil (anointed) was applied to the individual, and a verbal blessing was given, lastly water was applied (baptism).

6. Christians say: ”We only believe in One God, Jesus & God are one” The Lord Jesus Christ is God, but yes Jesus says He and the Father are one. That doesn’t mean God is unipersonal but consist of three Persons (Father, Son and Holy Spirit). In the Gospel of John we have Christ Jesus saying “I and [my] Father are one.” (John 10:30) and “And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: (John 17:22). In these statements we can see both a plurality and singularity using words such as “I”, “and”, “we”, “one”.

6. Muslims say: ”Christians please explain why Jesus was begging God for help if Jesus is the only God?” The Son of God is distinguished between the Father and the Holy Spirit but as explained in #2 all 3 share the same divine nature. When Jesus Christ was on the cross He was quoting from Psalm 22:1 My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? [why art thou so] far from helping me, [and from] the words of my roaring? Also known as a Messianic prophecy which Jesus fulfilled when He was on the cross of calvary (Matthew 27:46; Mark 15:34).

He was not “begging God for help”, the Lord Jesus said: John 10:17-18 “Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again. No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father”. This means that Jesus Christ gave His life willingly and was not forced.

7. Christians say: ”Jesus has willingly died for our sins” See response #6

7. Muslims say: ”Christians please explain why Jesus was begging God to save him if he was on a mission to save mankind. Jesus cried out in a loud voice, “Eli, Eli,[a] lema sabachthani?” (which means “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me? (Matthew 27:46)” See response #6

8. Christians say: “Jesus has paid the price for our Sins but we must repent” This is correct Jesus Christ paid the price in full and when someone comes to Christ for the forgiveness of sins they’ve already repented at the moment of conversion. Titus 2:14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works. And Galatians 1:4 Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:

8. Muslims say: “How did you gain from the Jesus sacrifice if you must still repent for your sins just like us?” When a person places their trust in Jesus Christ for salvation means they’ve already repented, salvation happens in an instant. Additionally, that person is given the Holy Spirit as God promised (Joel 2:28-29; Acts 2:17-18). Muslims don’t believe in the true Jesus Christ who is God therefore they cannot cannot be saved as long as they reject who Christ is to His nature being God Almighty (John 1:1; 20:28; Colossians 1:16-17; 1:19; 2:9; Titus 2:13; 1 Timothy 3:16; Hebrews 1:8; Revelation 1:8).

Answering Muslim Objections (4)

Muslim Argument #1 Accept Jesus Christ from his original teaching. Christianity is all about what Paul preached. Did Jesus Christ demolished circumcision law of Moses and kosher Paul strictly forbade the covenant were Jesus Christ followed all the commandments. JW have their own bible, Jews have their own, Catholic have their own. Theres over 30,000 denominations of Christianity you all have your own way of belief how would you substantiate that? Was 25 December birth of Jesus? Majority of Christians celebrate it. God in the Old Testament is one and only who forgive sins by repentance in New Testament he changes his mode of salvation. Theres three person in Trinity according to Christian scholars each is regarded as God so theres 3 Gods so that makes Christianity an idolatrous faith.

Christian Response: Muslims say Christians believe in 3 gods, this far from the truth. They misunderstand the Trinity and it’s teachings. Christians worship 1 God (Deuteronomy 6:4) and the 1 God is comprised of 3 distinct Persons who share the same Being (essence/substance/nature) seen throughout the Old and New Testament (Matthew 3:16-17). We can explain the singular and plural verses showing there’s One God complex in His unity.

Christianity is all about what Paul preached. The apostle Paul preached Christ who’s the same God of the Torah. In the book of Genesis we have the LORD calling down fire and brimstone from the LORD in heaven (Genesis 19:24). Here we see there are 2 individuals who are called LORD. We also have the child born in Isaiah 9:6 called “the mighty God”. Therefore, Paul preached Christ is God, and we see in the Old Testament the child born of a virgin is called “the mighty God” and “Immanuel” which means “God with us” we’re told in Matthew (Isaiah 7:14, 9:6; Matthew 1:23).

“JW have their own bible, Jews have their own, Catholic have their own. Theres over 30,000 denominations of Christianity you all have your own way of belief how would you substantiate that?” First Jehovah Witnesses are not Christian, the Jews share the same Tanakh we Christians have in our Bible. As for denominations that has no bearing on the shared foundational Christian beliefs. Whether they identify as Baptist, Lutheran, Methodist, Pentecostal etc they all believe in the Trinity, that Jesus Christ is God, and salvation is only through Jesus Christ alone and in the infallibility of the Bible.

Was 25 December birth of Jesus? Lastly, whether a Christian believes Jesus Christ was born on 25th of December or not is secondary and has no bearing on a person’s salvation. God in the Old Testament is one and only who forgive sins by repentance in New Testament he changes his mode of salvation. In the Old Testament we see that God is complex in His unity as mentioned before in Genesis 19:24 the LORD in heaven rains fire from heaven from the LORD on earth (2 people here). In other passages we have the Angel of the LORD who claimed and did things only God can do like “multiply people”, “and swear by Himself” and is called the LORD.

Genesis 16:10 “the angel of the LORD said unto her, I will multiply thy seed exceedingly” as you can see the Angel of the LORD spoke in the first person saying “I will”. In Genesis 22:11-16 The angel of the LORD said Abraham didn’t keep his son from Him saying “for now I know that thou fearest God, seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only [son] from me.” Again using personal pronouns in the the first person said “from me”.

Lastly, this Muslim used a straw man argument as Christians do not believe God “changes His mode of salvation” which would be modalism a heretical teaching, as we don’t believe in 3 gods. Muslims don’t understand the difference between 1 God in Being (essence, nature, substance) but the 1 God is comprised of 3 distinct Persons. For example the long buses we have driving down the street can be easily seen as 1 bus, yet this 1 bus has 3 doors in which people can enter and exit. While it’s 1 bus we see it has multiple components while still remaining 1.

Muslim Argument #2 The bible is tampered and altered by the church fathers to support the doctrine of Trinity.

Christian Response: The bible is tampered and altered Muslims are under the assumption that the doctrine of the Trinity was created by the church fathers. They are unaware that we get our doctrine from the scriptures not from the early church fathers, a classic verse showing all 3 Persons of the Godhead is found in Matthew 3:16-17.

There’s no verse in the Quran which states the Bible was “corrupted,” because the Bible and Quran are in contradiction to each other Muslims are forced to claim the Bible was changed. All the while their Quran affirms the Bible was never corrupted. The Quran says that the books of Moses, the Psalms, and the Gospel/Injeel were all given by Allah.

And verily We gave unto Moses the Scripture and We caused a train of messengers to follow after him, and We gave unto Jesus, son of Mary, clear proofs (of Allah’s sovereignty), and We supported him with the Holy spirit. Is it ever so, that, when there cometh unto you a messenger (from Allah) with that which ye yourselves desire not, ye grow arrogant, and some ye disbelieve and some ye slay? — Surah 2:87

Lo! We inspire thee as We inspired Noah and the prophets after him, as We inspired Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the tribes, and Jesus and Job and Jonah and Aaron and Solomon, and as We imparted unto David the Psalms; — Surah 4:163

He hath revealed unto thee (Muhammad) the Scripture with truth, confirming that which was (revealed) before it, even as He revealed the Torah and the Gospel. — Surah 3:3

And We caused Jesus, son of Mary, to follow in their footsteps, confirming that which was (revealed) before him in the Torah, and We bestowed on him the Gospel wherein is guidance and a light, confirming that which was (revealed) before it in the Torah – a guidance and an admonition unto those who ward off (evil). — Surah 5:46 

Muslims have a dilemma because their own Quran confirms the Bible, but it gets worse the Quran says that the Torah, Pslams and Gospel are the words of Allah and cannot be changed.

“Rejected were the messengers before thee: with patience and constancy they bore their rejection and their wrongs, until Our aid did reach them: there is none that can alter the words (and decrees) of Allah. Already hast thou received some account of those messengers,” — Surah 6:34

“The word of thy Lord doth find its fulfillment in truth and in justice: None can change His words: for He is the one who heareth and knoweth all,” — Surah 6:115

“For them are glad tidings, in the life of the present and in the Hereafter; no change can there be in the words of Allah. This is indeed the supreme felicity,” — Surah 10:64

When a Muslim claims the Bible was altered they are denying their own Quran as it affirms the Bible saying it cannot be altered. Why then are Muslims telling us that the Bible is corrupted? Because the Quran contradicts the Bible in many ways especially when it comes to the Person of Christ. The Quran denies Jesus Christ is God and the Death, Burial and Resurrection found in Surah 4:157 and Christians are told to judge by things in the Gospel

They claim there’s only 1 Quran yet there are more than 40 Arabic Qurans and are they the same? Majority of Muslims use the Hafs Quran version more specifically the 1924 Cairo edition. Here’s an example of 2 different Qurans the Hafs and the ibn Jamaz

Surah 18:86

Hafs Quran: hami’atin “murky”
Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it set in a spring of MURKY WATER: Near it he found a People: We said: “O Zul-qarnain! (thou hast authority,) either to punish them, or to treat them with kindness.”

ibn Jamaz Quran: haameiyatin “Extremely hot”
Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it set in a spring of EXTREMELY HOT WATER: Near it he found a People: We said: “O Zul-qarnain! (thou hast authority,) either to punish them, or to treat them with kindness.”

Q: Does the sun set in murky or extremely hot water? There’s quite a difference between dark and gloomy, and extremely hot water.

Muslim Argument #3 Typical Christian dispute when you cant substantiate the errors and contradictions in the Bible and according to JW theres over 50 thousand errors in the bible. As far as the Quran is concerned there are different pronunciation and dialect but over all the message is intact. Scholars from different faith acknowledged the Quran is in its original form.

Christian Response: Interesting that Muslims would appeal to a non-Christian cult like the Jehovah Witnesses as they have misrepresented the Bible by adding words into their own translation in order to promote their own theology. Notice the Muslim says “different pronunciation and dialect” there’s a double standard here. Muslims are quick to point out that there are “multiple versions of the Bible,” this statement is incorrect there are multiple English translations of the Bible but there aren’t “multiple versions of the Bible”. If there were this would imply the underlining text of Hebrew and Greek had multiple versions which they don’t. Therefore our Bible has not changed, additionally, notice the Muslim says “over all the message is intact” how can this be if there are multiple Arabic Versions which is the underlining text the Quran is founded upon?

Thank the LORD we don’t have this problem with the Bible. But why do Muslim say the “overall the message is intact” for the Quran when it’s not yet they don’t hold the same standard for the Bible. Our English translations may phrase a verse slightly different but as they claim the “over all the message is intact” and what message is that? It’s the Good News of the Death, Burial and Resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ who has procured salvation by His perfect work at the cross of Calvary.

The claims of “50 thousand errors in the bible” is unfounded and not provided by Muslims and hasn’t provided any scholars who claim “the Quran is in its original form”.

“Scholars from different faith acknowledged the Quran is in its original form” On the contrary Muslim scholars are starting to say the opposite here are 2 well known Muslim scholars who have contradicted themselves.

Contradicting Quotes from Muslim scholar Dr. Sheikh Yasir Qadhi on the preservation of the Quran: “So the Caliph Uthman standardized the copies of the Quran. And therefore, from his time up until our time there has never been two copies of the Quran that are different even in one letter or one word and this is because of the farsightedness of the Caliph Uthman” — Dr Sheikh Yasir Qadhi

“ah and the Quran ah there’s only one Quran there are no various versions or whatnot its one standard copy of the Quran across the Muslim world…and uh there’s really not been any variants versions of the Quran the Quran is the Quran for all sects and schisms and groups of Islam…and we also all Muslims take pride in the fact that there is but one Quran there’s no variants of the Quran” — Dr Sheikh Yasir Qadhi

“And when we say the various different ways to recite the Quran we’re not talking about different voices or different styles we’re talking about slight differences in pronunciation slight differences in letters. Especially those who have been exposed to some of our brothers who live Algeria or Morocco or other north African countries they recite the Quran in a slightly different way. Not just a voice or not just a speaking style but also changes in letters and words and Harakat” — Dr. Sheikh Yasir Qadhi

“The standard narrative has holes in it” — Dr Sheikh Yasir Qadhi

According to Dr Yasir Qadhi the first quote says there has never been two copies of the Quran which are different in one letter or word, he goes unto say in the next quote there’s only one Quran with no variations without any variants, then he says there’s different pronunciations and different letters and changes in words and Harakat.

Another Muslim scholar who has changed his view over the course of time it seems is Dr Shabir Ally from Toronto here are some of his quotes concerning the preservation of the Quran. Contradicting Quotes from Muslim scholar Dr. Shabir Ally on the preservation of the Quran:

“Today most Muslims read the Quran in a text that is referred to as the Egyptian edition of 1924. That’s how scholars refer to it most Muslims may not realise that this is the designation for that manuscript for that text to Muslims, in general, this is simply the Quran. But this is not the only text of the Quran that is read throughout the world in North Africa there is a slightly different text that is based on a slightly different reading and then to in some parts of Africa there is another reading of the Quran and a matching manuscript that is prevalent and here too we find some slight variations that do not affect Muslim beliefs and do not affect Muslim practices in any significant degree.” — Dr Shabir Ally

“how do we make sense of all of this? We want to retrace the history of how these manuscripts became divergent. How is it we have a variety of readings of the Quran and manuscripts to match?” — Dr Shabir Ally

Here we have another scholar who is confessing there’s different Quranic text read in different parts of the world, he goes onto say that the Quranic manuscripts became divergent and they have a variety of readings. This destroys the claim that there’s only one Quran with no change in letters or words.

Muslim Argument #4 The verses are clearly states the event authored by God himself. Yasir Qadi spoke about the pronoun-citation and dialect not holes in the content. You are trying to hang on every straw you should listen to Tovia Singer and Bart Ehrman.

Christian Response: Pronoun-citation there’s no such word that exist, the word is pronunciation. As shown above their own scholars admit there’s different versions of the Quran. Tovia Singer denies “Isa” (Islamic Jesus) now Muslims are going to bed with Jews who reject Jesus Christ and Muhammad.

Bart Ehrman the Muslims favorite agnostic said the Muslims are wrong about Paul in that Muslims claim Paul invented Christianity, he (Ehrman) said “some people say that Paul invented Christianity and that can’t be true, Paul was persecuting Christians before he became a Christian and so if he invented Christianity he would have nobody to persecute”. As you can see how this argument from Muslims backfire on them.

Let’s see what your other scholars say about the preservation of the Quran.

Muslim Argument #5 Tovia Singer’s believes in monotheism and rejects NT as man written fabrication. Again different variations and dialect which do not effect Muslim practices and for your information the ideology of Jesus Christ remains intact. Bart Erman brings out the falsification if his statement overwhelms you then be it. God is God and man is man only relation is creator and creation period.

Christian Response: Tovia Singer’s believes in monotheism It seems Islam stops the brain from working, Christians also believe in monotheism. Tovia Singer is against Jesus Christ, he doesn’t believe Isa is the Messiah which the Quran says Jesus (Isa) is the Messiah. Therefore, Muslims who appeal to the Jews are refuting their own beliefs as their Quran affirms Jesus is the Messiah.

“Indeed, we have killed the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, the messenger of Allah.” And they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him; but [another] was made to resemble him to them. … — Surah 4:157

Appealing to Jews who in actually don’t agree with the Muslim position is illogical. And once again Christians believe in 1 God and 1 God only. The problem is Muslims don’t understand what the Trinity doctrine is this is why they’re confused.

As for Bart Erhman, he doesn’t deny the Bible, he’s an agnostic who believes the historical facts of the Bible. What he denies is if God exist. Those are 2 different subjects, he believes in the historical aspect of the Bible, but in terms of God he doesn’t know if God exist.

Congrats to Muslims proving Islam is false appealing to to men who: (1) Denies Jesus is the Messiah, even though Muslims believe Isa is the Messiah (Surah 4:157), but they don’t know what the word Messiah means. (2) A man who rejects the notion of the existence of God, even though Muslims believe in Allah “the god”. Can they not see how these 2 people refute the Muslim position? As a Christian we don’t need to appeal to an Atheist and Jesus rejecting Jew to prove our position.

Refuting answeringsceptics – On Speaking In Tongues

First I’d like to say that who ever is running the following blog (answeringsceptics) is doing a good job refuting Muslim claims. Therefore, I would like to encourage them to continue the needed work in challenging Islamic arguments; it’s appreciated.

When Peter was confronted by Paul in Galatians 2 for hypocrisy on Peter’s part when he used to sit with the Gentiles, then separated himself from them when James arrived. This brought up the necessary need to discuss doctrine in regards to if the Gentiles had to be circumcised as the Jews were. Here 2 believers in Christ had a disagreement and needed to discuss this important issue. And we should follow suit, as Christians we shouldn’t shy away from doctrinal differences and foster friendly healthy debates.

Galatians 2:11-16 But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed. For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision. And the other Jews dissembled likewise with him; insomuch that Barnabas also was carried away with their dissimulation. But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before [them] all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews? We [who are] Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles, Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

As I perused the answeringsceptics blog I came across the post titled “Refuting Critics – On Speaking In Tongues”. Feel free to read the article and compare between what it says and the Bible. I also encourage you to do the same with this post as well and come to your own conclusions.

Believers in Jesus Christ affirm that speaking in tongues was proof of an individuals salvation according to certain text found in the Bible, the position I’m taking is these verses were meant for that time for a specific purpose and not for our time. We’re told in the Bible to “Study to shew thyself approved” (2 Timothy 2:15). There are Christians who claim unless you speak in tongues you’re not saved. What we’re seeking today is to prove if this is what the Bible teaches?

This is a friendly rebuttal to answeringsceptics in which they argued for speaking in tongues. I will be taking the negative position. While the Bible does state people spoke in tongues, my contention is it was a temporary sign for a specific purpose at that time (not for today).

Isaiah 28:11 For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.

Is Isaiah chapter 28 talking about speaking in tongues? The chapter is dealing with the coming judgement upon Ephraim and their predicted captivity by the Assyrians. In verse 28:7, 8 Isaiah confronts Judah, just as Israel they’re drunken in their own “vomit and filthiness” and now they “stumble in judgment”. The leaders mock the LORD complaining saying “them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts”.

God responds saying because you don’t want to heed to my message, I’ll send a foreign invader (Assyria) to you as an invading nation who’s language you will not know. Their foreign tongue will be a sign of judgement on the people who rejected God and His message.

Mark 16:17-18 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

The Lord Jesus in Mark 16:17-18 is speaking of what would happen after His ascension recorded in the book of Acts chapter 1 which was for the apostolic age. (1) Cast out demons “For unclean spirits, crying with loud voice, came out of many that were possessed with them:” Acts 8:7, Paul cast out a demonic spirit from “a certain damsel possessed with a spirit of divination” Acts 16:18, and recorded in Acts 19:11-16. (2) “they shall speak with new tongues” refers to the day of Pentecost (Acts chapter 2) as well as the Gentiles in the house of Cornelius the centurion (Acts chapter 10); Paul at Ephesus (Acts chapter 19). (3) “They shall take up serpents” when Paul was at the island called Melita and was bitten by a poisonous snake and was unharmed (Acts chapter 28). (4) Drink poison is not recorded in the book of Acts but was attributed to John and Barnabas by church historian Eusebius. (5) Lastly laying hands on the sick (Acts 3:7; 19:11; 28:8, 9).

The purpose of these signs were to authenticate the apostles who were bringing the message of the Gospel. People in those times wanted to know the message of the Gospel was of heavenly/divine origin. We find the answer in the book of Hebrews chapter 2 and Acts 15:8 which says:

Hebrews 2:3-4 How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard [him]; God also bearing [them] witness, both with signs and wonders, and with divers miracles, and gifts of the Holy Ghost, according to his own will?

Acts 15:8 And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as [he did] unto us;

As we come across these verses the question arises “Do these signs exist today?” I believe these signs were for that dispensation, before the entire cannon of scripture was made available for us today. Most of these signs are found in the book of Acts as mentioned.

1 Corinthians 14:22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying [serveth] not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.

In the article answeringsceptics stated that “Notice those bold, underlined words. Speaking with new tongues is one of the signs of believers (Christians); in other words, speaking in new tongues is one of many signs that one (non-believer) can differentiate between Christians and non-Christians. If that’s true, then there is no way that speaking in new tongues here means being polyglot because you and I know that many non-Christians are polyglot.”

Might I ask where in the text above (1 Corinthians 14:22) does it say “new tongues”? It doesn’t the only place you’ll find the words new tongues is referenced in Mark 16:17 and as I mentioned this is talking about what would take place in the book of Acts which was the beginning of the church age.

If our friend wants to use Mark 16:17 in meaning these new tongues were somehow an angelic language then how can they explain the beginning chapters of Acts in which the people on the The Day of Pentecost heard them speaking in tongues and replied “And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?” The people understood these languages as their mother tongues “wherein we were born”.

I’d like to point out that these tongues were for a sign (1 Corinthians 14:22), this was not a permanent sign that would continue on throughout this dispensation. It served its purpose in authenticating the apostles before the cannon of scripture was complete. We no longer have a need for these sign gifts as we now have the completed Word of God.

1 Corinthians 14:2 For he that speaketh in an [unknown] tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth [him]; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.

The problem with using 1 Corinthians 14:2 to support “speaking in tongues” as answeringsceptics suggest is if you read Greek you’ll notice the word “unknown” doesn’t appear in the original text. The translators added the word to convey a thought, for example if a congregation of English speaking believers came together and one of them began to speak French all of a sudden that would be speaking in tongues. The language would still be a recognizable language, it wouldn’t be an angelic heavenly language.

Here’s 1 Corinthians 14:2 in Greek:
ὁ γὰρ λαλῶν γλώσσῃ οὐκ ἀνθρώποις λαλεῖ ἀλλὰ τῶ θεῷ· οὐδεὶς γὰρ ἀκούει πνεύματι δὲ λαλεῖ μυστήρια·

The word “unknown” in our English Bible is found in [brackets] or italicised in order to indicate that word doesn’t appear in the original text. The Greek word for unknown is άγνωστος and it’s not found in that verse.

The verse actually reads For he that speaketh in an tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.

The reason why the verse says he doesn’t speak unto men but unto God is because there needs to be an interpreter. Without interpretation the entire assembly has no idea what’s being said, but God does because God understands all languages, but we do not understand foreign languages on the fly.

1 Corinthians 14:14 For if I pray in an [unknown] tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.

Once again please notice that the word “unknown” found again here in 1 Corinthians 14:14 is not found in the Greek text. We have the same situation in 1 Corinthians 14:2

Here’s the Greek for 1 Corinthians 14:14:
ἐὰν γὰρ προσεύχωμαι γλώσσῃ τὸ πνεῦμά μου προσεύχεται ὁ δὲ νοῦς μου ἄκαρπός ἐστιν

Once again the Greek word άγνωστος (the Greek word for unknown) is not found in the text itself.

answeringsceptics says goes on to say: “As we see, Paul is saying, (1) it’s his spirit that prays when he prays in tongues (2) not even him understands what he is saying. This refutes the “Paul was polyglot” theory.”

If we continue to read in context the very next verse tells us

1 Corinthians 14:15 What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.

Paul is contrasting 1 Corinthians 14:14 with 14:15 and never intended for anyone to speak in ways that others wouldn’t understand. Quite on the contrary, he was saying when speaking we should speak and sing with understanding. The notion of Paul being a “polyglot” is not in view, the truth is God gave the ability for men to speak real languages at a moments notice.

1 Corinthians 13:1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become [as] sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.

Our friend answeringsceptics quotes 1 Corinthians 13:1 and places a focus on tongues of men and of angels, insinuating that because angels was mention therefore it must mean Paul was speaking an angelic language that’s out of the realm of this world. The question is when angels appeared did they speak in an angelic language?

When the angel Gabriel appeared to Zacharias to declare he and his wife Elisabeth would give birth to John the Baptist did Zacharias “speak in tongues” to Gabriel (Luke 1:5-25). The same angel appeared to Mary in the chapter foretelling the birth of Jesus Christ and there’s no indication Mary “spoke in tongues” to Gabriel (Luke 1:26-38). It seems that angels spoke in the language Zacharias and Mary understood, not in a language which is not understandable.

answeringsceptics then quotes 2 Corinthians 12:2-4 and claim Paul’s heavenly vision is proof of speaking in tongues because of the words “unspeakable words”, lets read this verse in context. First the word for unspeakable in Greek is ἄρρητα (arrētos).

ἄῤῥητος árrhētos, ar’-hray-tos; (as a negative particle); unsaid, i.e. (by implication) inexpressible:—unspeakable. Biblical Usage: (1) unsaid, unspoken (2) unspeakable (on account of its sacredness). Note the words spoken are highly sacred not that they are a heavenly language not understandable to men.

2 Corinthians 12:1-6 It is not expedient for me doubtless to glory. I will come to visions and revelations of the Lord. I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven. And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter. Of such an one will I glory: yet of myself I will not glory, but in mine infirmities. For though I would desire to glory, I shall not be a fool; for I will say the truth: but [now] I forbear, lest any man should think of me above that which he seeth me [to be], or [that] he heareth of me.

Did Paul not know himself? Obviously this passage is about Paul’s vision and he did know the man because he’s talking about himself, are we to believe Paul didn’t know himself. Notice when we get to unspeakable words the following words after say “which it is not lawful for a man to utter”. Paul is not telling us these words couldn’t be understood because he says these words were not lawful for him to utter or speak. In other words he was not allowed to speak of what he heard. How can answeringsceptics take this passage and say “Because natural men cannot understand it”, Paul is a man did he understand what was spoken? Yes he did, but it was not lawful ie. not permitted to tell of it.

We see this with John in the book of Revelation when the angel who had the little book found in chapter 10.

Revelation 10:4 And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not.

Here we have John who heard the 7 thunders uttering and he thought to write down what he heard, but a voice from heaven told him to “Seal up” or conceal what he heard and not to write what was spoken. In other words it was not lawful for John to record what he had just heard. The same as Paul he heard things which was not permitted for him to speak about.

answeringsceptics quoted 1 Corinthians 2:14 commenting: “People only spoke in tongues when they received the Holy Spirit. This is another proof that it has nothing to do with men’s languages, otherwise I don’t see the difference between those whom the Holy Spirit came upon and “polyglot” non-believers.”

Let’s read again the context of 1 Corinthians 2:14

1 Corinthians 2:13-16 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man’s wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned. But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.

This passage is speaking on wisdom and teaching which unbelieving men reject because they don’t understand spiritual things. Nowhere is this passage indicating there’s a language which unbelievers can’t understand. answeringsceptics is superimposing their idea of speaking in tongues into passages. The key words in the passage is “wisdom”, “teach”, “discerned”, “instruct” the theme is of learning what’s being taught.

The word for discerned and its meaning in Greek is ἀνακρίνω (anakrinō) properly, to scrutinize, i.e. (by implication) investigate, interrogate, determine:—ask, question, discern, examine, judge, search.

Now we get to the key passage which causes so many believers great confusion, the verse I’m referring to is Acts 2 otherwise known as The Day of Pentecost, proponents of speaking in tongues typically use this verse to prove that speaking in tongues is something we all should experience in these days.

Acts 2:1-4 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting. And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

The question that must be continually asked is where in Acts 2:1-4 does it ever imply that “speaking with other tongues” means a language which is not understandable or heavenly? Why do proponents of speaking in tongues ignore the following verses? If we go through the passage God gives us the answer.

Acts 2:5-12 And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven. Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language. And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans? And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born? Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia, Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes, Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God. And they were all amazed, and were in doubt, saying one to another, What meaneth this?

The Spirit of God tells us at the time of Pentecost there were “Jews and devout men out of every nation”, this was a mixed multitude of people who heard the preaching of Peter. The text goes on to say they “were confounded” or confused and here’s the important part of the text “every man heard them speak in his own language.

The text says they understood the words the disciples were speaking and this is mentioned after the verses about “speaking in other tongues” (Acts 2:1-4) The Word of God gives us the answer that “speaking in other tongues” was not a language that was not understandable. These men and women began to speak in other languages, how can we know this? God gives us a list of those languages:

(1) Parthians (2) Medes (3) Elamites (4) Mesopotamia (5) Judaea (6) Cappadocia (7) Pontus (8) Asia (9) Phrygia (10) Pamphylia (11) Egypt (12) Libya (13) Cyrene (14) Rome (15) Cretes (16) Arabians

Here’s the nail in the coffin, they said “we do hear them speak in our tongues”. Again why does answeringsceptics claim speaking in tongues is a special language only given to believers? How do proponents of the speaking in tongues doctrine explain this passage? The wisdom of God had it so that these men and women heard and understood the message helping to spread that message across multiple languages.

Acts 10:44-46 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost. For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,

In the case of Acts 10:44-46 we’re told in this chapter that Cornelius a Gentile and others of his household got saved. Peter is a key person in the book of Acts when it concerned opening the way for Jews, Samaritans and Gentiles to become converts. Its referred to as Peter’s Confession of Christ or the doctrine of the keys found in (Matthew 16:13-19) other corresponding verses are found in (Mark 8:27–30; Luke 9:18–20 ).

Following Peter closely in the book of Acts he was the key person who would preach Christ on to that particular group of people. In chapter 2 it was Jews, in chapter 8 Samaritans and chapter 10 Gentiles.

Acts 19:1-6 And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples, He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost. And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John’s baptism. Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus. When they heard [this], they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. And when Paul had laid [his] hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.

The pattern is clear, speaking in tongues was a sign to non-believers proving God brought a message, authenticating the apostles; and lastly proof to those (Jews) who were seeking a sign (Matthew 12:38; Matthew 12:39; Matthew 16:1; Matthew 16:4; Mark 8:11; Luke 11:16; John 2:18; 1 Corinthians 1:22). Those people who saw something they couldn’t explain and could only attribute the sign as something from God would come to a place in which they now had the fear of God upon them. Speaking in tongues was a sign also when the assembly gathered as a way of convincing the unlearned or unbeliever who was among them observing.

1 Corinthians 14:22-25 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying [serveth] not for them that believe not, but for them which believe. If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in [those that are] unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad? But if all prophesy, and there come in one that believeth not, or [one] unlearned, he is convinced of all, he is judged of all: And thus are the secrets of his heart made manifest; and so falling down on [his] face he will worship God, and report that God is in you of a truth.

Notice 1 Corinthians 14:22-25 says tongues was a sign not for believers but for those who didn’t believe. Paul also says if the whole church (local assembly) is together and all spoke in tongues and an unbeliever or unlearned person was present they might think the Christians were crazy (mad). In this same passage prophesy is given a more important place than speaking in tongues, Paul says but if all prophesy and a unbeliever or unlearned individual was present they would be convinced, this would result in that person falling down on his face and worshipping God. In other words that person would come to believe in God.

If speaking in tongues were so important why isn’t Paul giving us that impression? Continuing in the same chapter he goes unto say:

1 Corinthians 14:26-28 How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying. If any man speak in an [unknown] tongue, [let it be] by two, or at the most [by] three, and [that] by course; and let one interpret. But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.

Again the word “unknown” is not found in the original text but was inserted by the translators help the text read more fluently. Paul asked the question why when they came together everyone wants to give a psalm, teaching or has a tongue? The problem in the Corinth church was everyone wanted to be in a prominent role, there was confusion when they came together. Notice “tongues” was not of great importance as Paul stated if there was no interpreter that individual should remain silent.

In the chapter before Paul addresses the importance of love (1 Corinthians 13) saying love never fails but prophecies will fail, tongues will cease (stop). Why? Because when that which is perfect comes (Christ, God’s Word) we will have no need of those things because we have the full cannon of scripture in our hands.

1 Corinthians 13:8-10 Charity never faileth: but whether [there be] prophecies, they shall fail; whether [there be] tongues, they shall cease; whether [there be] knowledge, it shall vanish away. For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.

answeringsceptics comments They also suggest that the purpose for speaking in tongues is to preach the Gospel to people whose languages they don’t speak nor understand; but these passages show that these believers were not about to preach to anyone, they spoke in tongues simply because they received the Holy Spirit as He gave them the utterance. It was for their own benefits as Jude tells us to use it to attain our most holy faith (Jude 1:20); not for preaching! (See Romans 8:26-27 for more)

Jude 1:17-21 But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ; How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts. These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit. But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost, Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.

The context of Jude is that false teachers and mockers would come going after their own ungodly desires, they separate themselves and don’t have the Holy Spirit. It seems answeringsceptics is trying to suggest that this text is about “speaking in tongues” when it’s talking about ungodly men and warning us to keep ourselves in the love of God.

Romans 8:26-27 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what [is] the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to [the will of] God.

answeringsceptics uses the above passage in Romans to suggest it’s talking about speaking in tongues. How does one come to that conclusion when it’s saying the Holy Spirit “makes intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered” meaning the Spirt sustains us in our weakness when we’re unsure of what to pray for in our life. The Spirit of God assist us with intercession which cannot be expressed. It’s the Spirit that groans and not us “he” (that is the Holy Spirit) “maketh intercession for the saints”. If someone “speaks in tongues” that would mean they are uttering which is contrary to the passage.

He said we ought to always speak in tongues; this has nothing to do with preaching the Gospel. It rather means speaking in tongues in prayers, confessions or in worship:

1 Corinthians 14:36-40 What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only? If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord. But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant. Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues. Let all things be done decently and in order.

Paul tells the believers in Corinth to desire earnestly to prophesy and don’t forbid men to speak with tongues. This shows the importance of both gifts, prophesy was to be desired, while the other was not to be banned. Prophecy was more valuable than tongues because unbelievers could be convicted by it and believers edified. Tongues without interpretation had no other purpose other than to speak to God and to one’s self, displaying their own proficiency with a foreign language given by God.

I would like for answeringsceptics to provide evidence in the Bible in which someone spoke in tongues and it was not understandable, a language of heavenly origin. There’s no verse or passage in the Bible that tells us about a heavenly language not known to man.

Ephesians 5:18-19 And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit; Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord;

Paul tells us to “be not drunk with wine” when a person is drunk they are controlled by a substance, in this case wine which is also called “spirits” (plural). The apostle is instructing us instead of being drunk with wine to be controlled or “be filled with the Spirit”. The Holy Spirit should control believers lives. During the day of Pentecost the people tried accusing those from the upper room of being drunk with new wine (Acts 2:13) but we know it was the Spirit which was controlling them.

The results of being filled with the Spirit are “Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs”, believers gather and recognise the Psalms as inspired scripture in-which we can speak or sing. Hymns accompany our worship of the Lord as well as spiritual songs.

answeringsceptics used Ephesians 5:18-19 to prove speaking in tongues is a heavenly language, again unless I’m missing something the verse is talking about Psalms, hymns and spiritual songs. It doesn’t say speaking in an unknown language.

Conclusion: In every instance in which speaking in tongues are mentioned the word “unknown” is not found in the original Greek text. This greatly proves that “speaking in tongues” as answeringsceptics suggest is unbiblical, I would like to see how answeringsceptics would interpret these passages knowing the word “unknown” is not found? The entire argument is based upon this one word inserted by the translators in order to make the English more comprehensible when reading.

1 Corinthians 12:29-31 [Are] all apostles? [are] all prophets? [are] all teachers? [are] all workers of miracles? Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret? But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way.

In 1 Corinthians 12 Paul asked a retorical question, and it addresses the issue at hand. We see that he asked if all are apostles, prophets, workers of miracles or have gifts of healing? The obvious answer is no, only 12 were chosen to be apostles including Paul. There are no more prophets as we have all of God’s word available to us and no further revelation has been given. And not everyone had gifts of miracles and healings even though they were believers (Matthew 17:17-19; Mark 9:28; Acts 19:11-20). Then the question is asked “do all speak with tongues?” the answer like the rest is no, not all spake with tongues.

Therefore to suggest or imply that everyone should have the gift of tongues is contrary to the word of God and is alien to the entire concept of the body with its many different members each of them with its own function within the body of Christ.

I hope that after reading this and comparing both post with God’s word you can come to your own conclusion about this in house issue between believers.

Gabe the street preacher and his erroneous doctrine

There’s a preacher on YouTube by the name of Gabe the street preacher, he’s been around for some years posting videos preaching on different street corners. He tends to frequent churches, colleges, concerts, parades etc.

Gabe states that he’s Christian yet denies fundamental Christian doctrine, some of which are listed here from his own channel. Doctrines Gabe the street preacher denies are (1) The Trinity / Godhead (2) believes a person must be baptised “in the name of Jesus Christ” for salvation thereby denying the commandment of Christ in Matthew 28:19 (3) a person must “speak in new tongues” as evidence of salvation. (4) Thinks born again Christians can lose their salvation.

(1) Oneness Pentecostals deny the plurality in the Godhead, namely the Trinity because they think by holding to the Oneness of God they must reject the 3 Persons within the Triune God. It’s not known if Gabe the street preacher identifies as a “Oneness Pentecostal”? But he certainly holds to the teaching that God as 1 individual.

The same is true of Muslim and Unitarians they also deny the plurality or Persons within the 1 God. And when the following passages are read in context the belief that God is 1 individual fails apart.

Gabe holds to the teaching of Modalism (otherwise known as Sabellianism) which has been proven as a heretical teaching. The following verse proves there’s 1 God (Deuteronomy 6:4) but since the Bible has no contradictions how does a Modalist interpret verses which shows a distinction between the Father, Son and Holy Spirit?

In the classic case of the Trinity found in the Gospel of John we read:

John 1:1–3 “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.”

Clearly the Word is a separate Person from “God” John 1:1 says “the Word was with God”, in order for the Word to be with God denotes two Persons are in view. If we read the Greek which is even more powerful it reads that the Word was πρὸς τὸν θεόν which means “face to face” with God. How does Gabe the street preacher interpret this scripture if he denies the Trinity?

Another problematic verse is the baptism of Jesus Christ in the Gospel of Matthew:

Matthew 3:16-17 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

In this account we have Jesus Christ in the water, Christ see’s the the Spirit of God coming down like a dove upon Him; and we have a voice from heaven. This is another proof text of the Trinity we have 3 Persons in view, the Lord Jesus in the water, the Holy Spirit coming down on Christ and the Father speaking from Heaven. How can verses like these be explained by a oneness person who denies the Trinity?

In a recent video Gabe went as far to make a claim that the Catholic church some how altered the text to insert the Trinity into the Bible. This claim lacks knowledge on a fundamental level, this is the same attack Muslims use against the Bible. It seems Gabe has more in common with Islam than Christianity. The reason why his argument is weak is because (1) the Catholic church was not in existence during the times of Christ (2) manuscripts were already being distributed throughout the world before the Catholic church was formed (3) in order for the Catholic church to “alter” the text of the Bible they would have to find every manuscript in the world and systematically alter the text without destroying the papyri by erasing/adding words.

We have over 5800 Greek New Testament manuscripts to date, with an impressive 2.6 million pages of biblical text. If Gabe the street preacher understood the silliness of his assumption he would see that it’s impossible for anyone to remove or add words into the text of the papyri.

This is not taking into account the Hebrew Tanakh (Old Testament) as well. All of which both the Hebrew and Greek manuscripts were distributed throughout the world. The Catholic church would have to gather each one in order to “change the text”. It’s an impossible feat just gathering them, on top of actually changing the text itself would require damaging the delicate papyri its written on.

Lastly, we have textual critics who have dedicated their lives to researching these manuscripts and none of which agree with Gabe. Also we must take into account that these manuscripts are written in Hebrew, Greek, Latin, Aramaic, Syriac and Coptic. I’d love to hear from Gabe how he thinks it would be possible to complete such a task? We can rest assure that the manuscript evidence for our Bibles are solid and the text found within them sound.