Responding to Heretics (@scottgrey2877)

Heretics will do mental gymnastics to the point that it’s hysterical, one such Heretic under the name of scottgrey2877 said Isaiah 53 is not about Jesus Christ but instead Isaiah wrote about Jeremiah. 😂😂😂

You can’t make this stuff up, where do Heretics get this from definitely not from the Bible!

Isaiah said that the Servant would bear our sins and suffer in our place. 700 years later, Jesus “himself bore our sins in his body on the tree, so that we might die to sins and live for righteousness; by his wounds you have been healed” (1 Peter 2:24).

Who’s the Subject of Isaiah 53?

Jews for Jesus agrees that Isaiah 53 is about Jesus Christ and that He fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah of being the Suffering Servant. Another scholar of the Hebrew Scriptures Dr. Michael Brown who is Jewish also says in his book Answering Jewish Objections to Jesus says Isaiah 53 is about Christ.

Infact, Christian readers will immediately be struck by two parallels between this midrashic description of the sufferings of Messiah ben Ephraim and the very real sufferings of Jesus the Messiah: (1) Both are said to suffer for the sins of their people, Messiah ben Ephraim enduring pain and affliction while waiting to be revealed to Israel, Messiah Yeshua enduring mockery, savage flogging, and crucifixion at the very moment that most of Israel was rejecting him. (2) The sufferings of both are explained with reference to Isaiah53, the biblical text most frequently cited by followers of Jesus inorder to prove that the Hebrew Scriptures did, infact, point directly to him.

Brown, Michael L. Answering Jewish Objections to Jesus. 2, Theological Objections /, Baker Books, 2007.

Heretics will stoop to very low levels to misguide people into believing their false prophet Muhammad, but when they come across Christians who know how to engage with them they start to flounder, as we get them busted.

(1) 11:18-23 Here is the opposition which apparently took the prophet by surprise. He describes himself as being “like a gentle lamb led to the slaughter” (verse 19). you will find the same words used in a famous passage in Isa. 53:7 to describe the suffering servant of the Lord. This is only one among many indications that the experience of Jeremiah may have contributed to the portrait of the servant which we find in Isaiah chapters 40ff. Yet the same words can often mean different things. In Isa. 53:7 the words are used to describe how the servant was led like a lamb to the slaughter and all the while remained silent, accepting his fate without protest. Jeremiah, as we shall see, was anything but silent in the face of opposition. Bitter words of protest was often on his lips. The picture of the “gentle lamb” is used here to indicate that what happened took Jeremiah by surprise. Before he knew what was happening, they were out to get him: “I did not know it was against me they devised schemes,” (verse 19).

Davidson, Robert. Jeremiah. Westminster Press, 1983.

This guy is so confused, Isaiah 53 is a Messianic Prophecy about Jesus Christ, how do we know this? Well look at all the details contained within the passage, reading the entire chapter you’ll find lots of 3rd person personal pronouns. Notice the words “he”, “him”, “his” in this verse.

Isaiah 53:3

The verse speaks of the one who was wounded for transgressions, was Jeremiah wounded for transgressions no he was not, the one spoken of here was bruised for iniquities, once again Jeremiah was not bruised for iniquities. The one spoken of here endured chastisement for our peace, Jeremiah didn’t and lastly the one spoken here was given stripes and we are healed by them. Jeremiah never suffered any stripes (flogging) and we certainly not healed by Jeremiah.

Scottgrey2877 then evaded and said they pierced (not certain if he’s referring to Jeremiah or Jesus) His hands and feet but God preserved his flesh, what does this have to do with our question? The question is who was the one pierced as there is no evidence in the Bible for Jeremiah having his hands and feet pierced or being wounded for our transgressions.

The one pierced in His hands and feet is first found in the book of Psalms more specifically 22:16, another Messianic prophecy about the Lord Jesus Christ as the only One who had His hands and feet pierced (Zechariah 12:10; Matthew 27:35; Mark 15:24; Luke 23:33; John 19:23,37; John 20:25,27).[1]

Psalm 22:16

Later in the book of Zechariah chapter 12 God Himself is speaking and God says “and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced,” and we know that God the Father was not pierced neither was the Holy Spirit pierced. Only the son of God was pierced no one else besides Him.

Zechariah 12:10

No one else besides God can pour the spirit of grace and supplications, will Scottgrey2877 claim that this is Jeremiah also? 😄 And God said they will look upon Him, this took place in the Gospels in multiple places but for the sake of brevity we’ll provide a references from the Gospel of John.

John 19:34, 37

In John 19:34, 37 a soldier took a spear pierced the side of Christ, and blood and water came out. Then John links this with Zachariah 12:10, then in John 20:25 Thomas exclaimed that he wouldn’t believe that Christ rose form the dead unless he saw the pierced hands of the Lord Jesus.

John 20:25

And verse 20:27 Christ enters the room where the disciples are staying and He shows Thomas His pierced hands, and tells Thomas to not be faithless but believe.

John 20:27

Our Heretic friend Scottgrey2877 is deceiving himself saying Isaiah 53 is about Jeremiah, no where in the Bible does it teach or confirm such nonsense.

Conclusion

This person lives in a fantasy world and needs for his eyes to be opened by the grace of God. I pray that he’s not too far gone because the things he says are very far out there!! But our God is the living God and He saves, nothing is out of His hand. May scottgrey2877 come to Jesus Christ for etenral life.

Footnotes

[1] Luke 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have. (Zec 12:10; Mat 27:35; Mar 15:24; Luk 23:33; Jhn 19:23,37; Jhn 20:25,27.)

Silly Things Muslims Say #7 (@legendarygames4687)

Tawhid is Islam’s central belief (one of the 5 pillars). The true meaning of Tawhid means unification, not oneness as Muslims claim, but let’s go with their meaning. Looking at the Qur’an in light of this understanding, let’s determine if the Qur’an teaches Allah is the only god?

In the Bible when God talks He speaks in the first person, words such as “I am the LORD,” “I the LORD,” “I AM THAT I AM,” “I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour” etc.

In the Qur’an we don’t have the same, in fact, Allah is the one speaking yet he refers to someone else by using 3rd personal expressions saying “He it is” or “it is He”

Sūrat al-baqarah (The Cow) 2:29

This question asked was: “Allah is saying “it is He”, “that He will cause it to prevail”, who is Allah speaking to if these are the words of Allah? Is Allah speaking to another Allah saying “it is He?””

Here’s a Muslim’s response to this question, watch how quickly it goes downhill.

This Muslim said that because Gabriel (Jibril) came to Muhammad to deliver Qur’an therefore, Jibril used the word “he.” Is Legendarygames4687 claiming that Jibril changed the words of the Qur’an upon delivering them to Muhammad? That cannot be right, no Muslim would claim that Allah’s words were changed, or would they?!

The words of the Qur’an are not Allah’s words according to Legendarygames4687 they are angel Jibril’s words, not Allah’s. This means the Qur’an is corrupted if Jibril switched out certain words.

According to Legendarygames4687 when Allah gave his words to Jibril to deliver to Muhammad, Jibril chose which words to convey and which not? That means Jibril decided what went into the Qur’an Muslims read today.

Legendarygames4687 said the words Jibril repeated to Muhammad are Allah’s words.

In the next comment, he discredits himself saying Jibril “replaced” words, confirming that according to legendarygames4687 Jibril changed words in the Qur’an.

This completely destroys the idea of perfect preservation of the Qur’an. If Allah used the word “I” and Jibril replaced it with the word “He” means the Qur’an is corrupted. And if this is not the case then who is Allah speaking with when he uses the 3rd personal pronoun? It only makes sense if he’s talking about someone else, another god besides himself.

Legendarygames4687 is the Muslim the burden is on him to explain why Allah is talking to another god by saying “He.” Allah even says he’s the best of the creators, which means he’s not the only creator [Surah 23:12-14] according to Allah himself.

Because he has no answers he defaults to the “Hadiths is the work of humans” and can have errors. The problem is that Sunni Muslims pray 5 times a day because of the Hadith, the Qur’an only gives 3 times a day of prayer. So why are Muslims following the work of man when they follow the Hadiths which add another 2 prayers making it 5 in total?

Conclusion

It’s obvious that Muslims cannot defend Islam as things like a god who says “He it is” cannot be referring to himself but someone else. A god who thinks the sun sets in muddy water.[1]

And has to come down to the lowest heaven to hear the prayers of Muslims[2] otherwise he doesn’t know who prayed. This shows Allah is not powerful and cannot be god because like Muslims always bring up the argument that Jesus doesn’t know the hour in Mark 13:32, then by that same rule Allah cannot be god.

Muslims contradict themselves all the time, they say in one breath there’s only one Qur’an and it’s preserved, but on the other hand, we found to day 40 different Arabic Qur’ans (Hafs, Warsh, Doori etc.) with different words, diacritical marks and variations in the meaning of verses. And now Jibril has made the decision on which words he gave to Muhammad when he gave him Qur’an.

Muslims come to the real Word of God, the Lord Jesus Christ for He never changes[3] because He’s your Creator, the Almighty God in flesh.

Footnotes

[1] Until, when he reached the setting place of the sun, he found it setting in a spring of black muddy (or hot) water. And he found near it a people. We (Allah) said (by inspiration): “O Dhul-Qarnain! Either you punish them, or treat them with kindness.” Sūrat al-kahf (The Cave) 18:86

[2] It was narrated from Abu Hurairah that the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said: “Our Lord, the Blessed and Exalted, descends when one third of the night remains, every night and He says: ‘Who will ask of Me, that I may give him? Who will call upon Me, that I may answer him? Who will ask My forgiveness, that I may forgive him?’ until dawn comes.” Hence they used to prefer voluntary prayers at the end of the night rather than at the beginning. [Sunan Ibn Majah 1366 Grade: Sahih (Darussalam)]

[3] Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

Silly things Muslims say #5 (Dawahpedia Projects)

The Islamic thought is that Islam will dominate the world, so it’s no surprise that Muslims are very zealous in spreading the teaching of Islam. We know of these individuals who want to give dawah in different ways, some engage in giving dawah through debates, blogs, news, fake reaction videos, street booths etc.

There’s a group called Dawahpedia Projects in Canada that will target nominal Christians[1] on the street corner and seek to convert them to Islam. It’s unfortunate because this nominal Christianity is what’s put forth in the public sphere, and sadly the world would think that’s Christianity. Wolves in sheep’s clothing have taken root preaching a false Gospel which has laid hold on helpless souls and we pray that the LORD of Host opens their eyes to the truth.

When they (Muslims) are faced with a born-again believer in the Lord Jesus who’s familiar with Islam’s deceptive tactics, these Muslims become flustered and do not know how to respond because they cannot control the conversation. Case in point wit the following comment from Dawahpedia Projects.

According to this Abdoool Dawahpedia, claims that Jesus is not the Word “OF” Allah, but the verse says Jesus is “His Word.” This Muslim is going against his own Qur’an. I want him to show anyone else called the “Word of Allah” or “His Word” etc. Any language similar to this of any one else besides Jesus.

4:171 Surat l-nisāa (The Women)

Islam teaches that the word of Allah is eternal now this Abdoool has a choice he can either agree that Allah’s word is eternal, but he doesn’t want to admit that because that means Jesus would be eternal. The other option he has is to say Allah’s word is not eternal but created meaning the Qur’an is created and not eternal. Do you see the dilemma Muslims face when asked this question?

According to their own sources, the word of Allah is “Kalimatu minhu” (a Word from him) and wakalimatuhu (his Word) in referring to Jesus both have the same meaning saying Jesus came from Allah as his Word. This title is only given to Jesus, no other prophet bears the same title as Jesus including Muhammad.

Muslims try their best to downplay this unique title only given to Jesus, they will try to say that this refers to when Allah created Isa by saying “Be (kun fa-yakūnu) and it is.” The problem is that when you check out the word-for-word breakdown of the Arabic wakalimatuhu is a 3rd person masculine singular possessive pronoun, with special emphasis on the word possessive.

wakalimatuhu

Possession would be in the genitive case translated “of” if we were studying the Greek New Testament in the Bible that would correlate to “the Son of God” indicating possession. We can confirm this when diving into how the word is used throughout the Qur’an by clicking on the link (wakalimatuhu) you’ll be directed to another page which displays every occurrence of the word.

wakalimatuhu

Virgin birth -The Qur’an gives an account of the birth of Jesus in chapter 3. Mary is described as being a virgin, chosen by God, and considered with great honor. “Behold! the angels said: O Mary! Allah gives you glad tidings of a Word from Him: his name will be Christ Jesus, the son of Mary.” [Qur’an 3:45] . Verse 47 relates the response of and to Mary, “She said: O my Lord! How shall I have a son when no man has touched me? He said: ‘Even so: Allah creates what He wills: When He has decreed a plan, He merely says to it, ‘Be,’ and it is!”  The Qur’an thus affirms and Muslims believe that Jesus was born of the virgin Mary. The birth is seen as a sign (ayah) of Allah’s power and as a miraculous event. And Muslims have a high regard also for Mary. However, the Qur’an presents Jesus as the son of Mary and not as the Son of God, a significant point particularly emphasized.

Like Adam (pbuh) -Though the unique birth of Jesus with one parent is no indication of divinity just as Adam’s creation was without any parentage [Qur’an 3:59] .

Jesus in Islam

The above quote from Islamicity.org speaks of the Islamic teaching that Adam and Isa (Jesus) were created in the same manner. Comparing the 2 they claim since Jesus had a mother and no father that’s not proof of diety because Adam had no father or mother. The problem with this comparison is that mankind had a beginning, therefore, of course, Adam didn’t have parents. But this doesn’t make him the same as Jesus, as this still doesn’t change the fact that Jesus is called the Word of Allah and a Spirit from Allah while Adam is not.

Also, the concept that Allah says “Be and it is” is not true. Allah created Adam using his hands from mud (clay)[2] and then blew his spirit into him. Did Allah say “Be” before he used his hands to mould Adam or afterwards? If before then what’s the purpose of saying “Be” that’s like building a car and once you’re finished saying “Be” that makes no sense! You still used your hands to make the car the same as Allah made Adam.

Jami` at-Tirmidhi 2134

If he said “Be” after moulding the clay with his hands makes no sense Allah still used mud and his hands to create Adam and THEN said “Be” after the fact? If we look into the account of how Isa (non-biblical Jesus) was created we see that he was not made with mud or clay, and Allah didn’t use his hands.

The creation of Isa involved Jibril blowing into Islamic Mary’s vagina found in the Surat l-anbiyāa (The Prophets). This is completely different from how Adam was created! The relevant verse is provided below, bear in mind the different translations and how they render the verse, keep in mind that words in the brackets [] are not found in the Arabic.

Surat l-anbiyāa (The Prophets)

Look at some of the rediculous and deceptive ways Muslims translate the verse. Halali & Khan says “We breathed into (the sleeves of ) her (shirt or garment)” since when do babies come from the sleeves of woman? Pickthall says “We breathed into (something)” so Allah doesn’t know what that “something” is? Saheeh International translates it as “We breathed into [garment]” again is Allah saying babies come from clothing, the god of Islam is in the dry cleaning business?

The Arabic is clear it says Jibril breathed into Mary’s vagina (فَرْجَهَا, farjaha) and Muslims claim they hold Mary in the highest honour, put the word in Google Translate and you’ll get “her vagina.”

Here’s a screenshot of the Arabic in Google Translate, try it for yourself.

Google Translate (فَرْجَهَا, farjaha)

There’s no way around it when we look directly at the sources of Islam instead of taking what Muslims tell us at face value we see they are not telling the truth. And that’s how these Muslim missionaries like Dawahpedia lie to people to deceive them into a false religious sex cult.

Conclusion

What have we learnt today? Well that Jesus is called “the Word of Allah and a spirit from Allah” this is a possessive noun in the genitive case. No other person in the Qur’an has this title, it belongs solely to Jesus. Adam and Jesus were not created the same, Allah used his hands in creating Adam, and Jibril blew into the false Mary’s vagina making her pregnant with Isa (fake Jesus). And this can be confirmed by copying the Arabic text and translating it through Google Translate.

Remember here we do not hate Muslims, we love them and want them to come to Jesus Christ for eternal life. Jesus Christ said He’s the only way to the Father, in other words unless you believe in the real Jesus who’s the Son of God who died on the cross and rose from the dead on the 3rd day. Then you’ll cannot have eternal life. Make a choice Muslims what’s it going to be Muhammad and the Qur’an or Jesus Christ and the Holy Bible?

Footnotes

[1] What is nominal Christianity? Nominalism can be understood as possessing a name, title, or label that is ultimately meaningless due to its empty formality. Thus, a nominal Christian is simply a “Christian” in name only. Though they may attend church services or may believe some of the basic doctrines of the Christian faith, they lack a true relationship with Christ and have failed to surrender the entirety of their lives to Him as their Lord and Savior by way of genuine faith and repentance. The church of Sardis is a prime example of nominal Christianity. Revelation 3:1 states, “And to the angel of the church in Sardis write…’I know your works, that you have a name of being alive, but you are dead.’” Though many in the church of Sardis claimed Christianity and performed many of the common church functions, Jesus boldly declared that their name was baseless, and they were spiritually dead. Though it may seem harsh or unloving, Jesus had compassion on these nominal Christians and was wanting to make them aware of the reality of their spiritual condition before it was too late. Zach Bollman (2021, January 20). How and when to reference. Retrieved from https://www.fellowshipinchrist.org/nominal-christianity/

[2] 15:26 Surely We created man of a clay of mud moulded,